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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Suma who wrote (28607)	2/7/2005 6:21:31 PM
From: Joe Btfsplk	Respond to of 90947

Hi Suma, Roosevelt brought us out of that depression... Just no so. Fact of the matter is, his economic policies were wrong wrong wrong. In '37 he brought us a depression within a depression. Believe unemployment averaged 17% during the first two terms. Still, he was so popular that it's only been in the last couple of decades that serious academics have been able to point out the holes in his record. Couldn't find an article about FDR I was searching for, but: fee.org "....Once Roosevelt was president, many of those who worked with him were startled by his undisciplined mind and economic ignorance. In a secret diary Brain Truster Raymond Moley wrote in May 1936 after a discussion with the president: "I was impressed as never before by the utter lack of logic of the man, the scantiness of his precise knowledge of things that he was talking about, by the gross inaccuracies in his statements. . . As to the WPA accomplishments, I'm inclined to accept the Austrian view. The market, if left alone, would have found alternate uses for the capital expended that would have yielded better results. To my view, FDR left a popular legacy of trust in a defective institution that still stains the USA.

To: Suma who wrote (28607)	2/8/2005 2:28:37 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 90947

And I remember this as a child their unkind comments about pay without work. Do you hold that as a good? How then can you have civilization? Who will even grow your food food for you for free? The Blue Ridge Parkway a truly beautiful achievement that graces so many states. Done by the WPA. The beautiful murals in Grand Central Station that grace a mammoth structure with humanity. Done by WPA.. The Moscow Subway was built by Stalin's Communist regime about the same time. It is supposed to be a work of art. Is it to be taken as an endorsement of the NKVD and show trials? Don't you think maybe a bit more that grand structures should be required before a gov't is declared decent? The Spaniards were amazed by Tenochtitlan, the capital of the Aztec empire. 10,000 people were sacrificed in 4 days in the dedication of it main temple. Do onlyits massive, beautiful structures count or should its oractive of massive human sacrifice be held against it? We used to have tramps come to our door and mother fed them on the back porch. Those depression times were terrible for our Country and it was a time when there were food lines, riots and this is when the Communist Party took a foothold here. And in Russia, Stalin was having private farmers killed by the million in his farm collectivization drive. Which was worse? Roosevelt brought us out of that depression as did the War. So, I know that I am against government interference but when it is a benevolent Government with programs to help all of the Nation's people I am torn to know what is best. See George Wiggington's response. Libertarian to me meant standing on ones own two feet.Taking responsibility for and not blaming others. However, there are some things beyond control. I remember when Regan said there are jobs out there. One might have to relocate to work but if that is what it takes, do it. I am paraphrasing but it was something like that. It means small gov't, too, that stays out of areas private enterprise can handle. This is what the "leftist libertarians" keep missing. This is why I claim there is no such beast. However, on the other side. I know of abuses of SS.. I know of people who are on it being sub sized for medical reasons who are working on the side for cash. This I resent. I paid into SS all the years I worked so I think I am due something. I never disputed that and never would. The gov't made you a promise and forcedyou topay it. Now it MUST honor its promise or prove itself a thief. Explain where I am wrong if I am. Well, that FDR ended the depression is HIGHLY questionable. I'd say Prime Minister Tojo deserves credit for that.