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To: Ish who wrote (99433)	2/8/2005 9:31:04 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793698

I'd still like to see some bona fides about Ag experience from anyone. It's not relevant. The reason it isn't is because we are talking about Government subsidies, not Ag. I am against subsidies for any business. The same principles apply. But I know you can't be a puritan. We cut or eliminate the ones we can. Ag is now on the table.

To: Ish who wrote (99433)	2/8/2005 9:54:15 PM
From: Snowshoe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793698

>>I'd still like to see some bona fides about Ag experience<< I worked on a Wisconsin dairy farm in 1973. It was a very wet spring and I got the tractor stuck 13 times while plowing and discing. The first time it happened I spun the wheels into the mud up to the axles, but I quickly learned to ease off on the power as soon as I knew I was stuck. The tractor was noisy and the diesel smoke was awful. I bought hearing protectors. In midsummer I spent a few hot scratchy, itchy days stacking the first hay crop in the barn loft. One day I stopped plowing at noon to eat my lunch by a patch of prairie remnant where rocks were piled in the middle of the field. That little piece of prairie was blooming with native birdsfoot violets, and it was the prettiest damn sight. The flowers of violets are highly edible, and I ate some with my peanut butter sandwich. (Warning: lots of other flowers are poisonous!) The farmer had a bull named Cedric. One day we moved him into the pasture where he was soon surrounded by cows, patiently waiting their turn. The farmer's wife ran off with the guy who drove the milk truck. There was a drought later in the year and the corn crop failed. (I know this sounds like a country western song, but I swear it's true!) -Snow

To: Ish who wrote (99433)	2/8/2005 10:29:26 PM
From: Volsi Mimir	Respond to of 793698

Ag cuts are a bargaining chip to get consensus on other programs-- red state can say see we cut education (gulp-see axed programs) but got some farm subsidy and visa-versa-- Saying and doing will be two different things-- WA senators are said to retain some programs that were on the cutting block the last go'round-- (more difficult now, deeper cuts-wrong party and state color) And remember Bush has not vetoed anything yet. If he starts it will be a political tradeoff of continuing GOP to his legacy. Guess we will find out. Ag subs could have cap limits placed so more could go to smaller farms and ranches, my kin needs some to survive, all the rules placed on what they grow and land use and the debt they are under in equipment and bad years.(how about those INSURANCE costs) One good year then a couple not so ones, nothing goes down but the commodities (well they use to for several long years that are still being felt) Just helped sell an uncles estate -- if it wasn't for military retirement he wouldn't of made it when we went through the books-- he did have tax deducts- lots of them.