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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)8/11/2005 6:46:14 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
Let these offences, introduced into the Church by Ecumenical Patriarchs Sergius, Pyrrhus, and Paul, be removed; let those who have introduced them be deposed; and then the path to salvation will be cleared of all barriers, and you will walk on the smooth path of the Gospel, cleansed of all heresy! When I see the Church of Constantinople as she was formerly, then I will enter into communion with her without any exhortation on the part of men. But while there are heretical temptations in her, and while heretics are her bishops, no word or deed will convince me ever to enter into communion with her.

--St. Maximus the Confessor's reply to Theodosius, Bishop of Caesarea in Bithynia



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)8/11/2005 6:47:27 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
Even if the whole world holds communion with the Ecumenical Patriarch, I will not communicate with him. For I know from the writings of the holy Apostle Paul: the Holy Spirit declares that even angels would be anathema if they should begin to preach another Gospel, introducing some new teaching.

--The Life of Our Holy Father Maximus the Confessor, trans. Fr. Christopher Birchall (Boston: Holy Transfiguration Monastery, 1982), pp. 38-39



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)8/11/2005 6:49:39 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
If a bishop or a presbyter, who are the eyes of the Church, conduct themselves in an evil manner and scandalize the people, they must be plucked out. For it is more profitable to gather in a house of prayer without them, than to be cast together with them, as it were with Annas and Caiaphas, into the gehenna of fire --St. Athanasius the Great

Every man who has received discernment from God shall be condemned to punishment if he accepts an ignorant bishop and a false glory as true --St. Athanasius the Great



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)8/11/2005 6:51:02 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
Though they might be very few who remain in Orthodoxy and piety, yet they are the Church, and the authority and protection of the Church's laws abides in them; and if it needs be that they suffer for the sake of piety, it is for them a perpetual boast and a cause of salvation for the soul. --St. Nicephorus, Patriarch of Constantinople, Confessor and Wonderworker



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)8/11/2005 6:51:49 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. --Luke 12:32



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)8/11/2005 6:53:19 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. --Romans 16:17

Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. --2 Thessalonians 3:6



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)8/11/2005 6:55:10 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
What if some novel contagion seek to infect not merely an insignificant portion of the Church, but the whole? Then it will be the Christian's care to cleave to antiquity, which to this day cannot possibly be seduced by any fraud of novelty.

--St. Vincent of Lerins, A General Rule For Distinguishing the Truth of the Catholic Faith from the Falsehood of Heretical Pravity (434 A.D.)



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)8/11/2005 6:58:23 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
suffice it to say, that i have my witnesses in the scriptures and in the fathers, that i do not have to, nor should i, be in communion with the false patriarchs of so-called "world orthodoxy" which have departed from the ancient faith.

All possible care must be taken that we hold that Faith which has been believed everywhere, always, by all --St. Vincent of Lerins,



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)8/11/2005 6:59:46 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
the depths of heretical pravity within "world orthodoxy" knows no bounds....

"The prophet Mohammed is an apostle. He is a man of God, who worked for the Kingdom of God and created Islam, a religion to which belong one billlion people....Our God is the Father of all men, even of Moslems and Buddhists. I beleive that God loves the Moslems and the Buddhists....When I speak against Islam or Buddhism, then I am not found in agreement with God."

--Parthenios, (so-called) Orthodox Patriarch of Alexandria



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)8/12/2005 4:31:19 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
ST. IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH (c 100 A.D.)

THE EPISTLE OF IGNATIUS TO HERO A DEACON OF ANTIOCH

CHAP. II.--CAUTIONS AGAINST FALSE TEACHERS.

Every one that teaches anything beyond what is commanded, though he be [deemed] worthy of credit, though he be in the habit of fasting, though he live in continence, though he work miracles, though he have the gift of prophecy, let him be in thy sight as a wolf in sheep's clothing,(12) labouring for the destruction of the sheep. If any one denies the cross, and is ashamed of the passion, let him be to thee as the adversary himself. "Though he gives all his goods to feed the poor, though he remove mountains, though he give his body to be burned,"(13) let him be regarded by thee as abominable. If any one makes light of the law or the prophets, which Christ fulfilled at His coming, let him be to thee as antichrist. If any one says that the Lord is a mere man, he is a Jew, a murderer of Christ.



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)9/10/2005 12:25:27 AM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
glory be to God! it's only the first step, but at least it's in the right direction. ecumenism is heresy, and hopefully antiochian orthodox are starting to recognize that ecumenism is the work of antichrist.
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News
August 23, 2005

Antiochian Orthodox Christians leave NCC
christiancentury.org

The Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America plans to leave the National Council of Churches, saying it is unhappy with policies and statements some member denominations have made supporting gay and lesbian church members.

Metropolitan Philip Saliba, the denomination's top bishop, was reportedly outspoken during the archdiocesan convention in Dearborn, Michigan, in urging the church to withdraw from the NCC. According to the online Orthodox News, published by Orthodox Christian Laity, both clergy and lay delegates approved the step unanimously July 28.

"It got to be too much," said Antiochian spokesman Thomas Zain. "There was no more reason to be part of it." The New York-based NCC has "lost its goal of Christian unity on a doctrinal basis. The goal seems to be including everybody and [promoting] niceties."

Most recently, denominational officials were unhappy with an NCC fundraising letter in which, according to Zain, the NCC asked churches for support to fight "right-wing attacks" against the ecumenical agency.

The more pressing issue for the Orthodox church body, however, was the support of the United Church of Christ for the right of gays and lesbians to marry, and the lingering dispute in the Episcopal Church over the consecration of V. Gene Robinson as its first openly gay bishop.

"We just feel we don't have much in common with the [other NCC] churches," Zain said. While the denomination considered taking up the matter with a larger body of U.S. Orthodox denominations, officials decided to act alone.

Several Orthodox churches have signed on to a new ecumenical body, Christian Churches Together, formed to complement but not replace the NCC. The Antiochian archdiocese has yet to join that body, though Zain said it "seems interesting."

The archdiocese, headquartered in Englewood, New Jersey, has about 390,000 members and 240 parishes, according to the 2005 Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches. The church traces its roots to Arabic-speaking immigrants to North America.

Wesley "Pat" Pattillo, the NCC's associate general secretary for communications, said in early August that the 36-member council had not yet received any communication from the denomination about its plans, but he called the move "unfortunate." -Chris Herlinger, ENI



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)9/10/2005 12:43:16 AM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
all these heretical so-called 'orthodox' jurisdictions need to follow suit and leave the NCC as well. of course this would be only one small step to withdraw from the heresy of ecumenism.

NCC Member Communions and Denominations
ncccusa.org

The member bodies of the National Council of Churches, encompassing a wide spectrum of American Christianity — Protestant, Orthodox, Anglican, and African-American traditions, historic peace churches and ethnic-language immigrant churches — include more than 100,000 local congregations and 45 million persons in the United States.


African Methodist Episcopal Church
The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
Alliance of Baptists
American Baptist Churches in the USA
Diocese of the Armenian Church of America
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
Church of the Brethren
The Coptic Orthodox Church in North America (Coptics haven't been Orthodox for many centuries)
The Episcopal Church
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Friends United Meeting
Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
Hungarian Reformed Church in America
International Council of Community Churches
Korean Presbyterian Church in America
Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
Mar Thoma Church
Moravian Church in America Northern Province and Southern Province
National Baptist Convention of America
National Baptist Convention, U.S.A., Inc.
National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
Orthodox Church in America
Patriarchal Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church in the USA
Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends
Polish National Catholic Church of America
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.
Reformed Church in America
Serbian Orthodox Church in the U.S.A. and Canada
The Swedenborgian Church
Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch
Ukrainian Orthodox Church of America
United Church of Christ
The United Methodist Church

See also:

The Standing Conference of Canonical Orthodox Bishops in the Americas (SCOBA)



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)9/10/2005 12:56:02 AM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
let's not ignore the world council of churches (wcc) the forerunner of antichrist. all these so-called 'orthodox' jurisdictions are in heresy as well.

Africa

Eritrean Orthodox Tewahdo Church
Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church

Asia

Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church [India]
Orthodox Church in Japan

Europe

Autocephalous Orthodox Church in Poland
Orthodox Autocephalous Church of Albania
Orthodox Church of Finland
Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia [Czech Republic]
Romanian Orthodox Church
Russian Orthodox Church
Serbian Orthodox Church [Federal Republic of Yugoslavia]

Middle East

Coptic Orthodox Church [Egypt]
Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria and All Africa [Egypt]
Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East [Syria]
Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem [Israel]
Syrian Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East

North America

Orthodox Church in America



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)9/26/2005 8:44:14 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
ROCOR's Anathema Against Ecumenism (1983)

Those who attack the Church of Christ by teaching that Christ's Church is divided into so-called "branches" which differ in doctrine and way of life, or that the Church does not exist visibly, but will be formed in the future when all "branches" or sects or denominations, and even religions will be united into one body; and who do not distinguish the priesthood and mysteries of the Church from those of the heretics, but say that the baptism and eucharist of heretics is effectual for salvation; therefore, to those who knowingly have communion with these aforementioned heretics or who advocate, disseminate, or defend their new heresy of Ecumenism under the pretext of brotherly love or the supposed unification of separated Christians, Anathema!



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)9/28/2005 12:25:08 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
September 23, 2005

Trip to Israel and Palestine showed 'Christians and Jews can work together to achieve peace'
churchexecutive.com

NEW YORK--Sixteen Jewish and Christian leaders returned Sept. 23 from a week-long trip to Israel and Palestine with members expressing the conviction that "we have demonstrated that Christians and Jews can work together to seek peace even when there is disagreement on specific policies and solutions."

"As a result of these days," delegation members said, "we will now be even more effective advocates for a secure, viable and independent Palestinian state alongside an equally secure State of Israel, affirming the historic links that both the Jewish People and the Palestinian People have to the land."

Delegation members returned promising "to mobilize each of our communities of faith ... in a concerted effort to bring reconciliation and peace to Israelis and Palestinians alike."

"That Jewish and Christian leaders representing their denominations and organizations are going on this trip together is in itself a significant statement of trust and hope," said Dr. Shanta Premawardhana, National Council of Churches USA Associate General Secretary for Interfaith Relations, when the journey began.

"Many of us have been there before and have seen the realities on the ground and met people who are suffering as well as the religious and political dignitaries. The difference this time is that we are hoping to see and hear with the eyes and ears of the other, those same realities and voices. We are hopeful that the trip will help transform us and our dialogue table."

A photograph of Palestinian spokeswoman Dr. Hanan Ashrawi and Dr. Premawardhana can be downloaded at www.ncccusa.org/Ashrawi.html

Christian and Jewish leaders who made the journey are:

Rabbi Gary Bretton-Granatoor, Director of Interfaith Affairs of the Anti-Defamation League; Vidette Bullock Mixon, Director, Corporate Relations, General Board of Pension and Health Benefits, United Methodist Church; Dr. David Elcott, U.S. Director, Interreligious Affairs of The American Jewish Committee; Ethan Felson, Director, Domestic Concerns of the Jewish Council for Public Affairs Richard Foltin, Legislative Director and Counsel of The American Jewish Committee; Dennis Frado, Director, Lutheran Office for World Community, Evangelical Lutheran Church In America; Rev. Canon Brian Grieves, Director, Peace & Justice Ministries, The Episcopal Church; and Dr. Darrell H. Jodock, Chair, Consultative Panel on Lutheran-Jewish Relations, Evangelical Lutheran Church In America.

Also, Rabbi Dr. Eugene Korn, Director of Jewish Affairs of The American Jewish Congress; Dr. Peter Makari, Executive for the Middle East and Europe of the United Church of Christ and Christian Church (Disciples of Christ); Rev. Dr. Shanta Premawardhana, Associate General Secretary for Interfaith Relations, National Council of Church; Rev. John E. Roberts, Alliance of Baptists; Rev. Dr. Jay Rock, Coordinator for Interfaith Relations, Presbyterian Church (USA); Emily Soloff, Executive Director, Chicago Chapter of The American Jewish Committee; Mark Waldman, Director of Public Policy, United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism; and Jim Winkler, General Secretary, General Board of Church & Society of The United Methodist Church.

The full text of the delegations' statement follows:

JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN LEADERS ON MISSION OF PEACE TO JERUSALEM

Leaders of the mainline Protestant Christian and Jewish communities of the United States have been working for over a year constructively to address issues that concern the two communities, of which the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is among the most serious. Standing on the rich tradition of working together to address questions of social justice, sixteen of these leaders representing eight Christian denominations and national organizations and six national Jewish organizations and religious movements spent the past five days together in this land that is holy to all Abrahamic faiths.

We came to see and we came to listen -- and to try to understand the human dimensions of an unholy situation in a land most holy. We each encountered the voices of individuals, organizations and officials that we had never heard before. In session after session, we confronted the realities on the ground and gained new understandings of, and an appreciation for, the deep complexities of the conflicts that consume Israelis, Palestinians and us alike.

As representatives of mainline Protestant Churches and the American Jewish community, we have demonstrated that Christians and Jews can work together to seek peace even when there is disagreement on specific policies and solutions. As a result of these days, we will now be even more effective advocates for a secure, viable and independent Palestinian state alongside an equally secure State of Israel, affirming the historic links that both the Jewish People and the Palestinian People have to the land.

Upon our return, we are committed to:

- Deepen our engagement with each other and expand the number of Jews and Protestants committed to interfaith dialogue on the local level as advocates for peace.

- Mobilize each of our communities of faith across the United States in a concerted effort to bring reconciliation and peace to Israelis and Palestinians alike.

- Together, we seek to mobilize elected officials and our American fellow citizens on behalf of a negotiated peace settlement.

- Effectively support those Palestinians and Israelis who are courageously working for reconciliation and a two-state solution with concrete actions that will help sustain their work.

A trip that started from many different places has brought us closer together in hope and faith. While there were many difficult moments, our trust in each other deepened. We sustain hope and faith in each other as agents of peace. We affirm hope and faith in our two religious communities as partners and advocates for a two-state solution. We also have a renewed hope and faith in the future of this holy land and these two peoples.

On this day, we together affirm our partnership with God in bringing about justice, compassion and peace.

The Jewish and Protestant leaders who made this journey represent the Alliance of Baptists, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress, the Anti-Defamation League, Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), the Episcopal Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Jewish Council for Public Affairs, National Council of Churches of Christ, Presbyterian Church (USA), Religious Action Center of the Union of Reform Judaism, United Church of Christ, the United Methodist Church, United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism.



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)9/28/2005 12:51:47 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
Catholics and Jews Use Anniversary to Reflect on Relations
The Vatican's 'Nostra Aetate,' credited with ushering in a new era, was issued 40 years ago.

nynewsday.com

By Larry B. Stammer
Times Staff Writer

September 22, 2005

As the 40th anniversary nears for a landmark Vatican document that declared that Jews as a people were not responsible for the death of Jesus, American Roman Catholics and Jews are taking stock of how far the religions have come in healing nearly 2,000 years of enmity — and the challenges ahead.

"Nostra Aetate" (In Our Time), issued by the historic Second Vatican Council in October 1965, said not only that all Jews in the past and present could not be blamed for Jesus' crucifixion, but that they remained "most dear to God." The document deplores anti-Semitism and affirms that Jesus and most of his early followers were Jews. The pronouncement also paid respect to Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism.

" 'Nostra Aetate' was a sea change in which both sides spoke to each other and with each other and modified their understandings based on those conversations. That's huge," said Rabbi Bradley Shavit Artson, dean of the Ziegler School of Rabbinic Studies at the University of Judaism in Los Angeles. "For the first time, the Catholic Church no longer has a theology of seeking to make Jews disappear."

Msgr. Royale Vadakin, a ranking Los Angeles priest who has been involved in interreligious exchanges, called "Nostra Aetate" an epic event. "Without it, we would still be locked in the descriptions of our relationships between Jews and Catholics as indifferent at best and hostile at worse," Vadakin said.

Commemorative events for the 40th anniversary are being held throughout the world, including a public one at 7:30 tonight at the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels in downtown Los Angeles. Among the scheduled speakers are Rabbi Michael A. Signer, a professor of Jewish thought and culture at the University of Notre Dame and director of its Holocaust Project; Cardinal Roger M. Mahony of Los Angeles; and Cardinal William Keeler of Baltimore, a member of the Vatican's Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews and moderator for Catholic-Jewish Relations at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Other upcoming events include a major interfaith conference starting Sunday in Rome, sponsored by the Pontifical Gregorian University, Georgetown University and other schools; and symposiums in Houston; St. Paul, Minn.; and other U.S. cities.

Such events are a sign of improved relations between Jews and Catholics, leaders say. Instead of pogroms of the past, popes and cardinals pay calls on synagogues, and rabbis join in interfaith services at Christian churches. Many Catholics see Jews as "elder brothers," following the example of the late Pope John Paul II.

(more....)



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)9/28/2005 12:54:58 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
here is the key point in all the story. the ravenous wolves the jews have no problem cozying up to so-called "christians" just as long as they do not try to convert them to Jesus Christ. in other words we will only be your friends if you deny your Savior's commandment to preach the gospel to every creature. every creature includes jews, does it not?

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. --Mark 16:15
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Rabbi Gary Greenebaum, Western regional director of the American Jewish Committee, who is to speak tonight at the Los Angeles cathedral, agreed that the atmosphere had improved greatly, although with some exceptions. He recalled what he described as a personal affront from a Roman Catholic archbishop in 1995 when both spoke at a program on Catholic-Jewish dialogue, which was going well until a question-and-answer session.

According to Greenebaum, the archbishop then said that he believed in building interfaith respect, but that he would still try to bring "faith in Jesus Christ" to Rabbi Greenebaum if the opportunity arose.

"I [was] deeply hurt and wounded," Greenebaum said.
He said that he realized that the archbishop, whom he declined to identify, was speaking as a Christian who wanted to share something he valued with a friend. But such outreaches, Greenebaum said, are why many Jews remain suspicious that some Christian efforts at dialogue mask an agenda to convert Jews.



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)9/28/2005 1:02:25 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
But such outreaches, Greenebaum said, are why many Jews remain suspicious that some Christian efforts at dialogue mask an agenda to convert Jews.

as if the jews do not have a secret agenda of their own??? the secret agenda of the jews as children of the devil is to get Christians to deny our Saviour and his commandments.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. --Ephesians 5:11-12

the jews and their blasphemous religion are unfruitful works of darkness and they ought to be reproved, not regaled!

Cyprian



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (38845)11/2/2005 6:05:47 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
honoring the 'synagogue of satan'...

Pope to Honor Rabbi Rosen with Knight Commander Award
ajc.org

October 31, 2005 – Jerusalem – Rabbi David Rosen of the American Jewish Committee will be named a papal Knight Commander for his outstanding contributions to promoting Catholic-Jewish reconciliation. The honor will make Rabbi Rosen the first Israeli and the only Orthodox rabbi to receive the award.

Cardinal Walter Kasper, President of the Holy See’s Commission for Religious Relations with Jewry, will decorate Rabbi Rosen with the Knight Commander of the Pontifical Order of St. Gregory the Great at a ceremony on Thursday in Jerusalem, coinciding with the Nostra Aetate 40th anniversary celebrations in Israel.

Rabbi Rosen, AJC’s international director of interreligious affairs, was the Jewish speaker at the Vatican celebration of Nostra Atetate at the Vatican last week. He spoke about the evolution of Catholic-Jewish relations, as well as ties between the Holy See and Israel, over the past four decades and current challenges facing the two communities.

”Rabbi Rosen has devoted himself tirelessly to the historic undertaking of fostering close and collaborative ties between leaders of the Catholic and Jewish communities, as well as between Israel and the Holy See, and has achieved concrete results that were previously unimaginable,” said AJC Executive Director David A. Harris.

Rosen, who is based at the AJC’s Jerusalem office, also will be honored with the Mt. Zion Award 2005 at the Dormition Abbey on Mt. Zion in Jerusalem.

Rabbi Rosen and Cardinal Kasper will be participating in the Hebrew University’s conference marking the Nostra Aetate anniversary. AJC is a cosponsor of the conference.