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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: BlackDog777 who wrote (9916)	2/13/2005 12:09:28 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

You are being very disingenuous. I posted to you before about this depiction of yours that anyone negative about "this government" is on the fringe and you chose to ignore it. Of course what else could you do because you certainly could not answer it. "This government" has not gotten us now because we are not important enough yet and the lid is not completely closed yet. But that day will come. As I said in my last post to you Einstein left Germany in 1933 because he saw it coming soon after Hitler came to power. Most of the Jews did not wake up until they were being rounded up because they said this is Germany, a good country. Nothing bad can happen to us here. Bush has changed the face of America and stripped many of our rights already. He is feared as a war mongerer around the world. He himself claims to be a war President. Wars he manufactured reasons to wage. The stage is set and his stooges are blinded by reverence of Bush just like most Germans were in awe of Hitler.

To: BlackDog777 who wrote (9916)	2/13/2005 2:17:19 PM
From: Don Earl	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

Outside of a bit of hyperbole, "Anyone who dares to tell the truth about this government is destroyed.", isn't that far off the mark. Pick a few articles at random on Sibel Edmonds to get an idea of what Ray is talking about: search.yahoo.com If you pay any attention to the news at all, you already know about Wilson and the effort that went into blowing his wife's CIA cover. Unless you pay attention to alternative news sources, you probably don't know about the UL employee who wrote a scathing letter to NIST on the WTC investigation, and who was fired as a result. There are plenty of examples of whistle blowers, who later issued the most humble retractions imaginable. There are something like 800 persons being held by the US in Cuba. Maybe they're bad people, and maybe they aren't. Since we haven't heard their side of the story, we may never know. The two persons who attempted to get information about what's going on there out, were arrested and never heard from again. You can go back to the Vietnam era to find examples of protesters who were murdered by our government. You can go farther back in history to find that anyone with first hand knowledge of the JFK assassination died violently shortly after. 1 or 2 might be a coincidence, but close to 50 of them? Or go back a little farther to the McCarthy era. If there has ever been a time in America when the truth was not being held hostage, I can guarantee you no one alive today can remember such a time from their own personal knowledge. As long as it's something that happens to someone else, most folks are willing to ignore the atrocities committed by our government against its own people. The sad fact of the matter is most people don't have the necessary courage to face truth in large doses, the wisdom to recognize the truth when they see it, or the moral character to put themselves in the other guy's shoes and say, "This is wrong.". Take some time to do a little reading on Sibel Edmonds story. It's an interesting story in its own right, even if you don't look at anything else related to 9/11. Once you have a little background information under your belt, ask yourself what would happen to Ms. Edmonds were she to tell the truth about what she knows.

To: BlackDog777 who wrote (9916)	2/14/2005 3:27:17 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 20039

Re: If our government was a fraction as bad as your frequent depictions...you'd be long gone by now. LOL... That's PALEOfascism: a brutal, coercive regime that relies on physical brutalities to compel obedience (Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet, Jim Crow, etc.). America's peculiar brand of fascism relies on "soft persuasion". However, in some cases, the US government might resort to the "old method" --clue: Message 20985336 All the beliefs, habits, tastes, emotions, mental attitudes that characterize our time are really designed to sustain the mystique of the Technocracy and prevent the true nature of present-day society from being perceived. Physical rebellion, or any preliminary move towards rebellion, is at present not possible. From the proletarians nothing is to be feared. Left to themselves, they will continue from generation to generation and from century to century, working, breeding, and dying, not only without any impulse to rebel, but without the power of grasping that the world could be other than it is. They could only become dangerous if the advance of industrial technique made it necessary to educate them more highly; but, since military and commercial rivalry are no longer important, the level of popular education is actually declining. What opinions the masses hold, or do not hold, is looked on as a matter of indifference. They can be granted intellectual liberty because they have no intellect. In a Technocracy member, on the other hand, not even the smallest deviation of opinion on the most unimportant subject can be tolerated. A Technocracy member lives from birth to death under the eye of the StraighThought Police. Even when he is alone he can never be sure that he is alone. Wherever he may be, asleep or awake, working or resting, in his bath or in bed, he can be suspected without warning and without knowing that he is being suspected. Nothing that he does is indifferent. His friendships, his relaxations, his behaviour towards his wife and children, the expression of his face when he is alone, the words he mutters in sleep, even the characteristic movements of his body, are all jealously pondered. [...] Subject 33609