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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (72423)	2/15/2005 9:56:15 AM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

I'm not going to jump to conclusions about General Wesley Clark...Yet, I feel confident saying that Bush & Cheney have track records that NO ONE should be proud of -- over 100,000 innocent Iraqis have died on their watch...over 1400 U.S. troops have died on their watch...More than 10,000 U.S. troops are seriously injured from combat in Iraq...and finally the Abu Grahib Torture Scandals (described by Seymour Hersh) took place while Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld were conducting an illegal war in the Middle East. IMO, General Clark would NEVER have mislead our country to take us into a war we DID NOT have to fight. Clark is a war hero and no U.S. soldiers died on his watch while he ran NATO in Europe. Our country's credibility has suffered more under Bush & Cheney than under any president in my lifetime...That's sad. -s2@RegimeChangeInWashingtonIsOverdue.com

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (72423)	2/15/2005 10:01:59 AM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

MR. BUCHANAN: ...The United States of America has always been free and always been secure. There have been despotisms from time in memorial. There are 22 Arab states, not one of which is democratic, and the United States has not been threatened by any of them since the Barbary pirates. In my judgment, what happened on 9/11 was a result of interventionism. Interventionism is the cause of terror. It is not a cure for terror. The idea that the president of the United States, as he said in his inaugural, is going to help democratic institutions in every region in every nation on earth is a formula for permanent war, Tim. And look, the president of the United States has no constitutional authority to do this. Where in the Constitution do we get the right to intervene in the internal affairs of countries that do not threaten us and do not attack us? If they don't, their internal politics are their own business. As Quincy Adams says, "America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the champion of freedom everywhere, but the vindicator only of her own." MR. RUSSERT: The president said that on September 11th, "Freedom came under attack." MR. BUCHANAN: The president of the United States was profoundly mistaken. He has misdiagnosed the malady. He has misdiagnosed the reason for the attack, Tim. The United States was not attacked because we are free. Bin Laden was not attacking the Bill of Rights. We were attacked because the United--over here because the United States' military and political presence is massive over there. Bin Laden in his fatwah, his statement of declaration of war on the United States, said the infidels were standing on the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia. They want us out of the Middle East. They don't care whether we have a separation of church and state." [ msnbc.msn.com ]