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Gold/Mining/Energy : PEAK OIL - The New Y2K or The Beginning of the Real End? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (70)	2/16/2005 12:45:43 AM
From: kryptonic6	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1183

"Since 1990, he [Lovins] has led the development of quintupled-efficiency, uncompromised, competitive automobiles and a profitable hydrogen transition strategy." oilendgame.org A man as world renowned as him is pushing an energy sink? "Rocky Mountain Institute is an entrepreneurial nonprofit organization that fosters the efficient and restorative use of resources to make the world secure, just, prosperous, and life-sustaining." The Earth can only feed/sustain roughly 2-2.5 billion homo sapiens without fossil fuel food (unless of course the surplus volunteer not to eat). The "restorative use of resources", huh? So the plan is to rape the Earth of all it's resources, in order to "restore" it? Okay. "Our work is independent, nonadversarial, and transideological, with a strong emphasis on market-based solutions. This made me want to laugh out loud. They're going to achieve "sustainability" working through a neoclassical economic system that requires a constantly increasing amount of energy available in order to function, even though we are about to peak and have LESS energy available each year? Let's say they were to succeed - our current economy would still collapse, because it is based on a constantly increasing amount of energy input. "US oil dependence can be eliminated with proven technologies that create wealth, enhance choice, and strengthen common security." Spoken like a true economist. Unfortunately, technology (proven or otherwise) is not a substitute for energy, period. Try this simple experiment: Unplug your computer. See how well your extraordinary piece of technology works. Well? As Matt Savinar says, if necessity is the mother of all invention, then energy is the father. The only type of sustainable economy is a steady-state, zero growth economy. We can voluntarily discard our current system, or the forces of geology will discard it for us. "Since 1982, Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI) has worked with corporations, governments, communities, and citizens to help them solve problems, gain competitive advantage, increase profits, and create wealth through the more productive use of resources." These people are going to create 'wealth' by depleting unrewable resources "more productively"? It's really going to be a mind-fuck for these economists when they realize that there is no more energy in a $100 bill than in a $10 bill. "A $180-billion investment over the next decade will yield $130-billion annual savings by 2025" $180 billion has no more energy than the $5 bill in my wallet. Again, these people have been brain damaged. Michael Kinsley seems to be the most realistic staff member there: "As the Institute's senior practitioner of techniques for creating sustainable local economies..." rmi.org I am all about alternative energy systems, but these people are simply not being realistic. They are saying we can "solve" this problem while maintaining business as usual and while working within a doomed and ultimately unsustainable neoclassical economic system.