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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: fresc who wrote (506)	2/15/2005 1:51:37 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

Quit Smoking ads and warning labels are a result of the decline. Really? Read your statement carefully. It is having an impact weather small or large it is working. It probably is having an impact but it isn't 100% certain. Also "small or large" is an important point. There are perhaps millions of things you could do that could have a small impact. There is no need to make an issue over a small impact. Why is America STILL not on board? Again begging the question. The sum of your argument amounts to - Canada has larger warning labels than the US. Smoking has decreased in Canada. Therefore the US should impose requirements for similar larger warning labels and anyone who opposes the action should not be taken seriously because they are either lobbyists or they "sound just like a lobbyist". Your attempts to support your argument amount to piling more data to show that smoking did go down in Canada. But the problem is not lack of data to support your premises, its that your premises are not enough to support your conclusions. I accept your premises as true. There is no need for data to support them. But even if we grant that your premises are true we don't logically arrive at your conclusions. BTW - Smoking has gone down in both countries. Tim

To: fresc who wrote (506)	2/19/2005 11:55:30 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

Quit Smoking ads and warning labels are a result of the decline. It is having an impact weather small or large it is working. YOu think this might have something to do with it? kidon.com Canada Ontario 1996 ~ CAD 2.75 Quebec 11 / 1997 ~ CAD 3.75 US California 08 / 1997 ~ USD 2.17 Florida 12 / 1997 ~ USD 2.00 Georgia 09 / 1997 ~ USD 1.90 Illinois 09 / 1997 ~ USD 2.50 Massachusetts 03 / 1998 ~ USD 2.65 Maine 03 / 1998 ~ USD 2.81 Mississippi 08 / 1998 ~ USD 2.02 And Median income and median share of income Median household income Income share (2000 income) held by households whose incomes fall below the median household income 00 Canada 46,752 statcan.ca US In 2000, the average US household had a median income of $42,000 migrationint.com.au So, while the incomes in local currency are about the same. the price of cigarettes in Canada is about 50% more. AND: Why do you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a "lobbyist"? Do you think that is a cuss word? Do you know the Sierra Club and AARP has lobbyists too?