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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Peter Dierks who wrote (37483)	2/16/2005 11:35:17 AM
From: Orcastraiter	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 173976

Democrats barely authorized the ones that were sent. Democrats cut the military to the point that transportation was stretched to get the troops in that went in. What a load of BULL. And how did the democrats accomplish this miracle? Last time I checked the President was a republican. The House is controlled by republicans. The Senate is controlled by republicans. The supreme court is controlled by republicans...and yet somehow the democrats are responsible for screwing up the troop deployment?????? Not only do the republicans control every branch of government, the democrats voted along with them on every military operation and funding package. A handfull of democrats voted against these issues...but it didn't change the planning, operations or outcomes. Now you're looking for a scapegoat for the short comings and short sightedness of this war...and the happless democrats are the perfect ones to blame. Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Turkey withdrew permission to use Turkey for transit throwing the whole deployment plan into disarray. Turkey's refusal to allow passage didn't affect the deployment one iota. We marched to Baghdad in record time, wiped out the Iraqi army in weeks and the President flew to an Aircraft Carrier to declare Mission Accomplished. I'd say the initial deployment and actions in Iraq were successful...most would agree. Where we fell down was when the tactics changed from an attack to an occupation. When the mission changed from run and gun to peace keeping and policing we were under manned and under trained. Most agree that we needed to double the number of troops after the initial combat phase to secure the cities and the infrastructure. But absent that additional strength the insurgents were able to loot and destroy key water, and electricity distribution facilities. And the tactics shifted to a guerilla war. This is what sent the casualties soaring. Now Rumsfeld has said all along that we had adequate troop strength. And now you will blame democrats for this too??? Your argument only reinforces the fact that this administration and it's minions like yourself will never accept responsibility for what they have done. All that is left is to blame the democrats...who had no impact on the war or the operations. Orca

To: Peter Dierks who wrote (37483)	2/16/2005 4:12:18 PM
From: PartyTime	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

>>>Pretty good. Your post inspired the whacko fringe to reply. Anything that G-ZeroZero agrees with is suspect.<<< I didn't relaize GZ responded to that post. Are you referring to the right post? >>>The course you suggest would have required several times as many troops.<<< The folks who were looting those buildings were unarmed. I think your excuse is a stretch. Bottom liine is that if Bush's primary goal was establishment of a democracy in Iraq post invasion, then Bush had a responsibility to protect those Iraqi public buildings housing citizen records. Bush didn't do this. Instead, I reapeat, he chose only to protect the Iraqi Oil Ministry Building. >>>Democrats barely authorized the ones that were sent.<<< Congress, via the resolution, gave Bush authority to do what he had to do to remove weapons of mass destruction. By the way, Congress gave no authority whatsoever for Bush to move American troops into Iraq in order to establish a democracy. You agree with this, don't you? >>>Democrats cut the military to the point that transportation was stretched to get the troops in that went in.<<< Sorry, pal. Democrats weren't then holding the power and organization strategy cards; and they don't hold them today. Interesting how you with to blame the Dems for clear GOPwinger mistakes. >>>Turkey withdrew permission to use Turkey for transit throwing the whole deployment plan into disarray.<<< Man, you can't get any of this right. Can ya? Turkey never authorized an allowance for US troops. Bush thought he could bribe 'em, like he did with most members of the so-called "Coalition of the Willing." Turkey didn't take the bait. >>>But these facts don't seem to bother you.<<< Peter, where are your facts that can withstand the basis of scrutiny? All I saw from the post to which I'm responding to were excuses and distortions of fact. Of course, you're welcome to try again.