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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (58050)	2/19/2005 2:57:05 PM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

On election night I was with a 10 grader who came into the house I was in and immediately asked to switch to FOX News from CNN which we all (about 25 of us) were watching. His father was in a tie and suit with a "Star and Stripes" necktie. The mother was in a expensive dress and jewelry and both obviiously were Republicans. They brainwashed their daughter that FOX was the only channel she should get her news from. Very similar to some Arab parents who tell their children that they should get their news from Al Jazeera only. And that "Stars and Stripes" necktie was the pinnacle of hypocrisy, IMO. We all own that flag and we do not have to flaunt that like it is some kind of a disease if we do not do so. With every passing day, I feel that Osama is succeeding

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (58050)	2/19/2005 10:55:17 PM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

It seems there are a lot of very intelligent folks out there with real facts who completely disagree with you. Iraq was & remains a part of the WOT. That's a fact. Saddam Funded Terrorists - Duelfer Report (Iraq Survey Group) dev.siliconinvestor.com The 9/11 Commission and the Connection dev.siliconinvestor.com The SENATE INTELLIGENCE Committee & the links between Iraq and al Qaeda; Saddam & Terrorism.... dev.siliconinvestor.com No Terrorism in Iraq Before the War? dev.siliconinvestor.com Here's 9/11 Commission Chair Thomas Kean during the press conference for the release of the commission'a final report today: There is "no question in our minds that there was a relationship between Iraq and al Queda." dev.siliconinvestor.com Case Closed (Saddam Al Qaeda connections) dev.siliconinvestor.com The Saddam-Osama Memo (cont.) A close examination of the Defense Department's latest statement dev.siliconinvestor.com Americans who still believe Saddam Hussein had no ties to terrorists in general or al Qaeda in particular should visit husseinandterror.com dev.siliconinvestor.com Clinton was right: Saddam and al Qaeda had numerous connections - Enemies Together dev.siliconinvestor.com Documents Link Saddam To AQ, WMD, Other Terrorists dev.siliconinvestor.com Putin: Saddam Planned Terrorism In US dev.siliconinvestor.com Saddam and bin Laden: Alliance of Evil dev.siliconinvestor.com The Story of Salmon Pak edwardjayepstein.com Saddam, Al-Qaeda Linked Through Al-Zarqawi dev.siliconinvestor.com One major newspaper gets it right:Al Qaeda, Iraq--and war dev.siliconinvestor.com The Clinton View of Iraq-al Qaeda Ties dev.siliconinvestor.com More Connections - Two new members of the Iraqi interim government insist that Saddam and al Qaeda were linked. dev.siliconinvestor.com Found: A Smoking Gun dev.siliconinvestor.com Missing Links Found dev.siliconinvestor.com Saddam's Ambassador to al Qaeda dev.siliconinvestor.com Saddam's Files - New evidence of a link between Iraq and al Qaeda. dev.siliconinvestor.com It is interesting that many who criticize Bush for not "connecting the dots" before Sept. 11 are also criticizing those who connect the dots on Iraq-Al Qaeda ties The 'Bush lied' crowd is way off base dev.siliconinvestor.com Wouldn't This Be Collaboration? dev.siliconinvestor.com Iraqis, Seeking Foes of Saudis, Contacted bin Laden, File Says dev.siliconinvestor.com But these headlines conceal the real news in the report of Iraq Survey Group head Charles DUELFER. For the report makes it plain that George W. Bush had good reason to go to war in Iraq and end the regime of Saddam Hussein. Message 20623841

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (58050)	2/19/2005 11:49:21 PM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 81568

Even Hillary Clinton disagrees with you..... Iraqi Elections As The Defining Moment: Now Hillary Clinton Says Saddam’s Cronies Have Failed Austin Bay blog Early July 2004, a week or so after the CPA left Baghdad and Iyad Allawi’s interim Iraqi government took over: I was sitting in the Corps’ Joint Operations Center(JOC) in Al Faw Palace, Baghdad, drinking a big cup of tea. The JOC had a huge screen covering an entire wall, like a movie theater screen divided into ceiling-high panels capable of displaying multiple computer images and projections. A viewer could visually hopscotch from news to weather to war. In the upper right-hand corner of one panel Fox News flickered silently–and for the record, occasionally CNN or Al Jazeera would flicker there as well. Beneath Fox ran my favorite channel, live imagery from a Predator UAV circling somewhere over Iraq. That July day the Predator appeared to be flying above an irrigation canal. The biggest display, that morning and every morning, was a spooling date-time list describing scores of military and police actions undertaken over the last dozen hours, Examples: “0331: 1/5 Cav, 1st Cavalry Division, arrests two suspects after Iraqi police stop car"; “0335 USMC patrol vicinity Fallujah engaged by RPG, returned fire. No casualties.” The spool went on and on and on, and I remember thinking : “I know we’re winning. We’re winning because –in the big picture– all the opposition has to offer is the past. But the drop-by-drop police blotter perspective obscures that.” Collect relatively isolated events in a chronological list and presto: the impression of uninterrupted, wide-spread violence destroying Iraq. But that was a false impression. Every day coalition forces were moving thousands of 18-wheelers from Kuwait and Turkey into Iraq, and if the “insurgents” were lucky they blew up one. However, flash the flames of that one diesel rig on CNN and “oh my God, America can’t stop these guys” is the impression left in Boston, Boise, and Beijing. Saddam’s buddies and Zarqawi’s klan were actually weak enemies –"brittle” is the word I used to describe them at a senior planning meeting. Their local power was based on intimidation–killing by car bomb, murdering in the street. Their strategic power was based solely on selling the false impression of nation-wide instability– selling post-Saddam Iraq as a dysfunctional failed-state rather than an emerging democracy. Only July 19 I attended a meeting in Najaf where the governors of Najaf and Diwaniya told the corps commander that they needed clean water and better sewer systems. Citizens in the city of Najaf wanted Marines in the area to start spending money. As I said, we were winning. Were their severe security issues? Absolutely– in August Najaf was the scene of a most curious battle. The Mahdi militia took over the Imam Ali Mosque–but were slowly chewed to bits by US troops and forced to leave the mosque by the political efforts of Ayatollah Sistani and the local populace. In World War Two forcing Nazi divisions to retreat and taking islands from the Japanese provided hard yardsticks to determine military success. Irregular warfare rarely offers such a clarifying quantitative measure. Over the summer of 2004, I had the benefit of anecdotal measures. Iraqis I talked to would tell me they intended to vote in the January elections. The January elections would be “the big island,” the defining moment in the post-Saddam political struggle, and it would be the Iraqi people providing the public yardstick. In the past three weeks I’ve seen a number of foreign policy editorialists become sudden fathers– success has many fathers, But track back on their columns you’ll find many of them they had the police blotter perspective, usually offered with a “quagmire” chaser and disdain for President Bush. Don’t expect Jacques Chirac and Ted Kennedy to apologize for their defeatism– Chirac’s a crook, Kennedy a perpetual cad. But do take note that Senator Hillary Clinton now thinks Iraq is “functioning quite well.” Today’s statement from Senator Hillary Clinton, on tour with John McCain and the Senate Armed Services Committee (here’s a link to the full AP story): dailynews.att.net <<< BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - As 55 people died in Iraq on Saturday, the holiest day on the Shiite Muslim religious calendar, Sen. Hillary Clinton said that much of Iraq was “functioning quite well” and that the rash of suicide attacks was a sign that the insurgency was failing. Clinton, a New York Democrat, said insurgents intent on destabilizing the country had failed to disrupt Iraq’s landmark Jan. 30 elections. “The concerted effort to disrupt the elections was an abject failure. Not one polling place was shut down or overrun,” Clinton told reporters inside the U.S.-protected Green Zone, a sprawling complex of sandbagged buildings surrounded by blast walls and tanks. The zone is home to the Iraqi government and the U.S. Embassy… …The fact that you have these suicide bombers now, wreaking such hatred and violence while people pray, is to me, an indication of their failure,” Clinton said. >>> When I returned from Iraq last September I concluded many Americans were suffering a failure of faith. Perhaps the emerging success in Iraq will restore their spirit. austinbay.net