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Gold/Mining/Energy : PEAK OIL - The New Y2K or The Beginning of the Real End? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (113)	2/20/2005 9:42:46 PM
From: kryptonic6	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1183

Here's something beyond the energy crisis that is quite ominous, IMHO: Message 21064231 In the introduction to "Powerdown", Richard Heinberg cites a 2003 news article about the irreversible depletion of large predatory fish communities to warn that the oceans may be dying. This is another trend that cannot be sustained. Humanity seems poised to destroy the planet in order to maintain pointlessly large surpluses of useless humans. I don't believe any human being is "surplus" or "worthless". I believe that our leaders (past and present) and our apathetic and willfully ignorant citizenry bear a large portion of responsibility for the dilemma we're in, but I do not feel like I am in any position to label any individual or group of individuals "useless". The Nazi's did that in the 1930's to European Jews whom they considered a 'surplus' population. See Richard Rubenstein's "The Cunning of History" - one of the best books I read in High School. You can read the first six pages here (click on the book cover): amazon.com

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (113)	2/20/2005 9:57:53 PM
From: Triffin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1183

Humanity seems poised to destroy the planet in order to maintain pointlessly large surpluses of useless humans. Reminds me of an old George Carlin routine .. He was railing against the general arrogance of humanity with respect to our belief that anything that we may do would have an impact on the planet .. His conclusion was that we humans were merely a "surface nuisance" that would be dealt with in due course when Mother Nature had had enough of our collective meddling .. Triff ..

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (113)	2/21/2005 12:01:00 PM
From: Wyätt Gwyön	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1183

What will happen when crude oil becomes scarce is that there will be all sorts of flowering of other energy resources. yes, but the inherently lower EROEI of alternatives means the energy available to us will be less, and more expensive, than in the past. this will result in, at least, the "End of Suburbans" which are gas guzzlers; the possible "End of Suburbia", which is dependent on cheap energy for transport in individual vehicles; and more dismally the "End of a Lot of Peoples' Lives" as fuel-dependent agriculture becomes less productive. And human populations really ought to be rationalized. ah, but who gets to make these decisions? nobody has the right, do they.