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To: Sully- who wrote (7886)2/21/2005 12:15:40 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
This is unfricking believable! From a Democratic Congressman
no less.....

The Madness Continues

Powerline blog

Democratic Congressman Maurice Hinchey breaks a news story, via Little Green Footballs:

<<<
They’ve had a very very direct, aggressive attack on the, on the media, and the way it’s handled. Probably the most flagrant example of that is the way they set up Dan Rather. Now, I mean, I have my own beliefs about how that happened: it originated with Karl Rove, in my belief, in the White House. They set that up with those false papers. Why did they do it? They knew that Bush was a draft dodger. They knew that he had run away from his responsibilties in the Air National Guard in Texas, gone out of the state intentionally for a long period of time. They knew that he had no defense for that period in his life. And so what they did was, expecting that that was going to come up, they accentuated it: they produced papers that made it look even worse. And they — and they distributed those out to elements of the media. And it was only — what, like was it CBS? Or whatever, whatever which one Rather works for. They — the people there — they finally bought into it, and they, and they aired it. And when they did, they had ’em. They didn’t care who did it! All they had to do is to get some element of the media to advance that issue. Based upon the false papers that they produced.
>>>

It's easy to write off this kind of thing as limited to the moonbat wing of the Democratic Party, but here's the thing: when is the last time you heard any Democrat criticize this kind of nonsense, or try to distance himself from it?


Posted by Hindrocket

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To: Sully- who wrote (7886)2/21/2005 1:43:01 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Congressman Says Rove Planted CBS Memos

LGF

Yesterday Congressman Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) hosted a community forum in Ithaca, New York, on The Future Of Social Security.

An LGF operative was present in the audience and happened to be recording as Rep. Hinchey launched into a barking moonbat conspiracy rant worthy of Democratic Underground, telling the audience he believed the fake CBS memos were planted by Karl Rove to discredit Dan Rather, and divert attention from President Bush’s “draft dodging.”

When our operative asked Hinchey if he had evidence for these charges, he first said, “Yes, I do,” but when asked a second time he admitted he did not
.

Our operative pressed the issue, “Don’t you think it’s irresponsible to make charges like that?” Hinchey replied, “No, I don’t, I think it’s very important to make charges like that ... I think it’s very important to combat this kind of activity in every way that you can, and I’m willing, as most people are not, to step forward in situations like this and take risks.”

And the crowd burst into applause and cheering.


Here’s the audio. (MP3, 2.7 MB.)
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UPDATE at 2/20/05 4:48:20 pm:

Courtesy of LGF operative zombie (who is not the operative who recorded Rep. Hinchey’s rant), here is a full transcript of the recording:

***

Congressman Maurice Hinchey (D-NY):


Well, you know, they are manipulating the media, they did it in the very beginning through intimidation
. They would intimidate the people in the, uh, in the press conference. And ... they would ask — they would allow questions to be asked only of people that they knew were going to ask the right kind of questions, from their point of view. And, you know, that has its effect, had, had its effect on people.

People have been — people in the media have been intimidated. The media has changed in the last four years. People have changed in the last four years. They’ve had a very very direct, aggressive attack on the, on the media, and the way it’s handled.

Probably the most flagrant example of that is the way they set up Dan Rather
. Now, I mean, I have my own beliefs about how that happened: it originated with Karl Rove, in my belief, in the White House. They set that up with those false papers.

Why did they do it? They knew that Bush was a draft dodger
. They knew that he had run away from his responsibilties in the Air National Guard in Texas, gone out of the state intentionally for a long period of time. They knew that he had no defense for that period in his life.

And so what they did was, expecting that that was going to come up, they accentuated it: they produced papers that made it look even worse.

And they — and they distributed those out to elements of the media. And it was only — what, like was it CBS? Or whatever, whatever which one Rather works for. They — the people there — they finally bought into it, and they, and they aired it.

And when they did, they had ’em. They didn’t care who did it! All they had to do is to get some element of the media to advance that issue. Based upon the false papers that they produced.

Audience Member: Do you have any evidence for that?

Congressman Hinchey: Yes I do. Once they did that —

Audience: [Murmuring]

Congressman Hinchey: ...once they did that, then it undermined everything else about Bush’s draft dodging. Once they were able to say, ‘This is false! These papers are not accurate, they’re, they’re, they’re false, they’ve been falsified.’ That had the effect of taking the whole issue away.

Audience Member: So you have evidence that the papers came from the Bush administration?

Congressman Hinchey: No. I — that’s my belief.


Audience Member: OK.

Congressman Hinchey: And I said that. In the very beginning. I said, ‘It’s my belief that those papers, and that setup, originated with Karl Rove and the White House.’

Audience Member: Don’t you think it’s irresponsible to make charges like that?

Congressman Hinchey: No I don’t. I think it’s very important to make charges like that. I think it’s very important to combat this kind of activity in every way that you can. And I’m willing — and most people are not — to step forward in situations like this and take risks.

Audience: [Clapping and cheering.]

Congressman Hinchey: I consider that to be part of my job, and I’m gonna continue to do it.


littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Sully- who wrote (7886)2/21/2005 8:30:20 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Congressman Hinchey

<snip>

The LGF reader who recorded Rep. Hinchey’s twisted conspiracy delusions informs me that there were at least two people videotaping the entire meeting, and at least two others making audio recordings.

Yet, we see no mention of Hinchey’s rant in any published report.


UPDATE at 2/21/05 10:34:16 am:

Here’s a good comment from “curdie,” the reader who made the Hinchey recording.

<<<
I'm the person who recorded the audio clip, and I want to make sure we get this right.

The great lesson of this incident is that hatred blinds people to the truth.

No matter who originated the documents supplied to Mary Mapes, her hatred of George Bush blinded her to the obvious truth that the documents were forged.

I don't know whether Rep. Hinchey is really a Bush hater or not, but certainly his catering to the Bush hatred of his audience blinded him to the damage he does to himself, his party, and this country by making wild accusations.

Attitudes such as Howard Dean's "I hate Republicans and all they stand for" blinds people to whatever truth may be contained in their opponents' arguments. They end up opposing at least some positions which sensible voters can see are obviously valid. They "misunderestimate" President Bush's intelligence. They fail to see the destructive social consequences of legalized abortion. They fail to see the threat of terrorism clearly.

They end up losing. And we all end up losing. How can this nation survive when a large fraction of one of its only two political parties is flying blind?

I think that secularism has something to do with this. A strong theme in non-secular religious traditions is respect, and even celebration and thanksgiving, for one's enemies. Bill O'Reilly has accurately pointed out the dangers of the secular progressivist (I would add "utopian") agenda. One reason why the secularists are so desperate is that if they lose the political battle, they have lost _everything_. When Christians, for example, lose the political battle, they still have God.

We must try to help these people. How can we help them?

o By defeating them.
o By by refusing to adopt their hatred.
o By celebrating and being thankful for them.

And now for the hard part. One concern I have with being described as an LGF "operative" is that some of what I read in LGF pages drops to the level of contempt for people with differing opinions. I have no problem with contempt for the opinions themselves, but contempt for people is an exceedingly short distance from hatred. Do we want to adopt the disastrous shortcomings of our opponents?

Some of the questionable language falls into the category of humor. But perhaps that's how the people in the meeting I attended felt at one time too. Like Rep. Hinchey, we are speaking in public. Anyone could be listening.

And that's the end of my sermon for today.

>>>

littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Sully- who wrote (7886)2/21/2005 8:33:25 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
NY District Papers Bury Hinchey Outburst

LGF

Confederate Yankee reports that the local media in New York’s 22nd District have completely ignored the conspiracy theories of Congressman Maurice Hinchey.

UPDATE at 2/21/05 2:17:11 pm:

Local media in New York may have ignored it, but MSNBC isn’t; I’m just about to do a call-in interview for their Connected Coast to Coast show. (Scheduled for 2:30 Pacific.)

UPDATE at 2/21/05 2:56:53 pm:

Can you believe Ron Reagan would try to argue that Rep. Hinchey’s “theory” could possibly be correct? The sound bite format of the show didn’t allow for it, but it would have been fun to try to get Reagan to construct that scenario, and watch him fail dismally.


LGF was also featured on CNN today, and I spoke with a Fox News producer as well. (I suspect it may be on Brit Hume’s show, but don’t know for sure.)

If Rep. Hinchey is smart, he’ll get out in front of the cameras as soon as possible and apologize for his ludicrous statements.


littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Sully- who wrote (7886)2/21/2005 8:59:45 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (8) | Respond to of 35834
 
SOME CONGRESSMEN WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING - EVEN ABOUT THE CBS MEMOS

TKS [jim geraghty reporting]
[02/21 02:05 PM]

Suppose you were a member of Congress, and you wanted to make sure no one ever took you seriously, other than a hard-core group of true believers who bought into conspiracy theories?

Could you come up with a better plan to accomplish that goal than this?


<<<

Congressman Maurice Hinchey, Democrat of New York, speaking at a community forum in Ithaca, New York:

Probably the most flagrant example of that is the way they set up Dan Rather. Now, I mean, I have my own beliefs about how that happened: it originated with Karl Rove, in my belief, in the White House. They set that up with those false papers. Why did they do it? They knew that Bush was a draft dodger. They knew that he had run away from his responsibilities in the Air National Guard in Texas, gone out of the state intentionally for a long period of time. They knew that he had no defense for that period in his life. And so what they did was, expecting that that was going to come up, they accentuated it: they produced papers that made it look even worse. And they — and they distributed those out to elements of the media. And it was only — what, like was it CBS? Or whatever, whatever which one Rather works for. They — the people there — they finally bought into it, and they, and they aired it. And when they did, they had ’em. They didn’t care who did it! All they had to do is to get some element of the media to advance that issue. Based upon the false papers that they produced.

A member of the audience asked Hinchey had any evidence to back up that charge. He said, ‘that’s my belief.’
>>>

UPDATE: The Powerline guys raise a good point:

<<<

It's easy to write off this kind of thing as limited to the moonbat wing of the Democratic Party, but here's the thing: when is the last time you heard any Democrat criticize this kind of nonsense, or try to distance himself from it?
>>>

In the course of research for a book proposal, I've been looking at the reaction of the far left of the Democratic party to 9/11. You probably remember a lot of it - Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, etc. The "well, we had it coming" voices were not that numerous in the fall of 2001... but what was interesting was how few mainstream or centrist Democrats were willing to denounce their ideological brethren.

Perhaps the most extraordinary change in American politics over the last few years is how comments that once would have seemed ridiculous, or silly, or way out there have now become fairly common sentiments in what was once mainstream circles
.

nationalreview.com