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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (96247)	2/21/2005 11:34:06 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

It doesn't really matter how many sweet innocent children you have (even one named Grainne!) in regard to whether you are in the IRA or not. Most of the Provos had/have wives and several children, and are farmers or work at some occupation in addition to being terrorists/freedom fighters. As I recall, McGuiness has three or four children. As right as I think the struggle in Northern Ireland has been for the oppressed Catholic minority, and no matter how much I utterly despise the Protestant squatters, the violence seems to have taken on a life of its own. There have been stories even of really yucky serial killer types on both sides who get involved just in order to kill people. And there is no doubt that the IRA rules some of the Catholic neighborhoods with violence. You probably noticed in the article I posted that McGuiness didn't call the man who reported that he was in the IRA a liar, because he could be sued under the libel laws. I don't think it is unknown at this point that Mc Guiness was (or possibly is) an IRA commander. The papers are certainly reporting that. He acknowledges being one in the past. The question is when (or if) he stopped being active in the IRA and moved completely to government service as a representative of Sinn Fein. I think on the Irish street the IRA and Sinn Fein are very closely linked--a two-headed snake if you are a cynic or on the other side. A more interesting question in my mind is what Gerry Adams' real role is in the IRA at this time. All of that could be true and the Protestants still could have framed them re the bank robbery. Their paramilitary organizations are just as brutal, and there has been a lot of backing by the Northern Ireland police as well. There is really no alternative explanation for the stabbing death of Mr. McCartney.

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (96247)	2/22/2005 1:15:46 AM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Everyone, Republican or otherwise, has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something. Bobby Sands To break the connexion with England the never failing source of all our political evils, and to assist the independence of my country, these are my objectives. Theobald Wolfe Tone It is not those who can inflict the most, but those that can suffer the most who will conquer. Terence MacSwiney You can not put a rope around the neck of an idea; you can not put an idea up against the barrack-square wall and riddle it with bullets; you can not confine it in the strongest prison cell your slaves could ever build. Sean O'Casey Whoever betrayed the cause, or gave up the fight, or suffered loss of spirit, it was seldon the People. We are the People. I.R.A. Handbook If you strike at, imprison, or kill us, out of our prisons or graves we will still evoke a spirit that will thwart you, and perhaps, raise a force that will destroy you! We defy you! Do your worst! James Connolly The road to freedom is paved with suffering, hardships and torture; carry on my gallant and brave comrades until that certain day. Tom Williams To gain that which is worth having, it may be necessary to lose everything else. Bernadette Devlin McAliskey Let no man write my epitaph; for as no man who knows my motives dare now vindicate them, let not prejudice or ignorance asperse them. Let them rest in obscurity and peace! Let my memory be left in oblivion, my tomb remain uninscribed, until other times and other men can do justice to my character. Robert Emmet Irishness is not primarily a question of birth or blood or language; it is the condition of being involved in the Irish situation, and usually of being mauled by it. Conor Cruise O'Brien I would walk from here to Drogheda and back to see the man who is blockhead enough to expect anything except injustice from an English Parliament. Daniel O'Connell We must see our present fight right through to the very end. Generations will continue to meet the same fate unless the perennial oppressor-britain-is removed, for she will unashamedly and mercilessly continue to maintain her occupation and economic exploitation of Ireland to judgment day, if she is not halted and ejected. Bobby Sands They say the sun never sets on the British empire --- well, baby, it's setting. Frank McCourt Pray for the cause for which I am dying, God save Ireland. Tom Williams You cannot conquer Ireland. You cannot extinguish the Irish passion for freedom. If our deed has not been sufficient to win freedom, then our children will win it by a better deed. Pádraig Pearse The British Government has no right in Ireland, never had any right in Ireland, and never can have any right in Ireland. James Connolly The New Stormont is a step backwards-away from a free and independent Ireland. Ruairí Ó Brádaigh We haven't gone away yet. Francie Mackey The only peace strategy that will resolve the cause of conflict in Ireland is the strategy that challenges Britain's illegal claim in Ireland. The numerous failed strategies over the decades are testament to this fact. Bernadette Sands-McKevitt Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it. Flannery O'Connor I am sorry to see ex-comrades sitting in Stormont. They had it in their power to strike a better deal. They've become British Ministers in a so-called Northern Ireland state. But in Irish history there has always been the native traitor. Josephine Hayden Not a Republic as in the United States, where the power of the purse has established a new tyranny under the forms of freedom. James Connolly Bobby Sands lived and died for Irish freedom. Were he with us today, he would be proud of the GENUINE REPUBLICANS who want no ties to England, who make no deals with the Brits. You wouldn't have seen Bobby wearing Armani; Bobby was for The People. DM Gould There is nothing more dangerous than an oppressed people who acquire the first weapons of education and organisation. Bernadette Devlin McAliskey