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To: RetiredNow who wrote (220176)	2/22/2005 1:48:14 AM
From: Elroy	Respond to of 1572924

The thing that you are focusing on is the insurgency. But our goal wasn't to go to Iraq to crush an insurgency. It was to go to Iraq to depose Saddam so that he couldn't pass WMD to terrorists and so that we could force the Middle East to take the first lurching steps towards Democracy. Well, there were WMD labs and a few old WMD gas bombs, but no major stockpiles. Yet the WMD inspector concluded that Saddam had the labs and facilities in place and fully intended to reconstitute his WMD programs when the watchful eyes of the world were off of him. So by taking him out, we achieved that goal. Then with the latest elections we are well on our way to achieving a Democratic Iraq. So if success means we are achieving the goals we set out to achieve, then we are successful. Your problem is that you think that our goal is to kill all insurgents and that is not our goal. Excellent post, and hard to disagree with, but I'm sure Ted will find a way! :-)

To: RetiredNow who wrote (220176)	2/22/2005 2:10:39 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572924

The thing that you are focusing on is the insurgency. But our goal wasn't to go to Iraq to crush an insurgency That's because there was no insurgency. That's why they made up the story.........sorry, I mean they told us that there were WMDs. Bush created the insurgency. So if success means we are achieving the goals we set out to achieve, then we are successful. Your problem is that you think that our goal is to kill all insurgents and that is not our goal. I don't care what the goal was. I want the soldiers home and my tax money not going for war. We need to make a video game for military hawks so they can play to their heart's content and leave the real world out of it. ted

To: RetiredNow who wrote (220176)	2/22/2005 7:00:53 AM
From: 10K a day	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572924

drink the kool aide

To: RetiredNow who wrote (220176)	2/22/2005 7:22:42 AM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572924

re: So if success means we are achieving the goals we set out to achieve, then we are successful. Your problem is that you think that our goal is to kill all insurgents and that is not our goal. Now it's "insurgents" not "terrorism". Our stated "goal" was the war on terrorism, to reduce the threat of global terrorism. We have achieved exactly the opposite. <The real goal was more likely to set up bases in a friendly ME country. It's to be seen if we can pull that off long term, I doubt it. I imagine the we're going to get our ass thrown out IF the Iraq's can manage to piece together a government without a preliminary civil war. I'll probably be dead before the last act of this play.> John

To: RetiredNow who wrote (220176)	2/23/2005 1:59:25 AM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1572924

Pope Calls Gay Marriage Part of 'Ideology of Evil' Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:55 PM ET (Page 1 of 2) By Philip Pullella ROME (Reuters) - Homosexual marriages are part of "a new ideology of evil" that is insidiously threatening society, Pope John Paul says in a new book published on Tuesday. In "Memory and Identity," the Pope also calls abortion a "legal extermination" comparable to attempts to wipe out Jews and other groups in the 20th century. He also reveals that he is convinced the Turkish gunman who shot him in 1981 did not act alone and suggests that the former Communist Bloc may have been behind the plot to kill him. The 84-year-old Pontiff's book, a highly philosophical and intricate work on the nature of good and evil, is based on conversations with philosopher friends in 1993 and later with some of his aides. In one section about the role of lawmakers, the Pope takes another swipe at gay marriages when he refers to "pressures" on the European Parliament to allow them. "It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man," he writes. The Pope's fifth book for mass circulation, issued by Italian publisher Rizzoli, sparked controversy in Germany and elsewhere after Jewish groups protested against leaked excerpts comparing the Holocaust to abortion. In at least two sections of the book, the Pope talks about the Nazi attempt to exterminate Jews and the wholesale slaughter of political opponents by Communist regimes after World War II. "LEGAL EXTERMINATION" In following paragraphs he says that legally elected parliaments in formerly totalitarian countries were today allowing what he called new forms of evil and new exterminations. "There is still, however a legal extermination of human beings who have been conceived but not yet born," he writes. Continued ... reuters.com

To: RetiredNow who wrote (220176)	2/23/2005 2:01:55 AM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1572924

Amnesty: Iraqi Women No Better Off Post-Saddam Reuters Feb 21, 2005 — By Jeremy Lovell LONDON (Reuters) - Nearly two years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, women there are no better off than under the rule of ousted dictator Saddam Hussein, the human rights group Amnesty International said on Tuesday. In a report entitled "Iraq — Decades of Suffering," it said that while the systematic repression under Saddam had ended, it had been replaced by increased murders, and sexual abuse — including by U.S. forces. Washington promised that the overthrow of Saddam would free the Iraqi people from years of oppression and set them on the road to democracy. But Amnesty said post-war insecurity had left women at risk of violence and curtailed their freedoms. "The lawlessness and increased killings, abductions and rapes that followed the overthrow of the government of Saddam Hussein have restricted women's freedom of movement and their ability to go to school or to work," Amnesty said. "Women have been subjected to sexual threats by members of the U.S.-led forces and some women detained by U.S. forces have been sexually abused, possibly raped," it added. Amnesty said several women detained by U.S. troops had spoken in interviews with them of beatings, threats of rape, humiliating treatment and long periods of solitary confinement. The Pentagon said it had not seen the report, but took any allegations of detainee abuse seriously. "We have demonstrated our commitment to ensuring that kind of behavior is identified and dealt with properly," spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Joe Richard said in Washington. "With this report, we would like the opportunity to review it and to test the validity of the allegations." Amnesty said women's rights activists and political leaders had also been targeted by armed insurgent groups. Women continued to suffer legal discrimination under laws that granted husbands effective impunity to beat their wives and treated so-called "honor" killers leniently, the group said. "Within their own communities, many women and girls remain at risk of death from male relatives if they are accused of behavior held to have brought dishonor on the family," Amnesty said, noting some attempts by religious zealots to make the laws even more repressive against women. abcnews.go.com