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To: epicure who wrote (96315)	2/22/2005 8:36:18 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

You may have missed some of the other reasons Grainne has given for not eating meat. I am aware of and sympathetic to the various good reasons for not eating meat including the belief that it is morally wrong. My point is that it is not feasible to get the world to stop eating meat, at least not any time soon. It may be feasible, though, to dramatically reduce the suffering, which continues only marginally abated by campaigns to stop eating meat. Stopping the suffering is a worthwhile objective even though only a half measure. And it may just be doable. When faced with darkness, I favor candle lighting. You might as well say to a Christian, would it not be more effective to put your primary emphasis on the Koran? I think it's more like saying to a Christian, if you can't end all sin in the world, why not focus on ending the ones you can.

To: epicure who wrote (96315)	2/23/2005 2:05:12 AM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

That's pretty close, Ionesco. I believe I should not eat meat, or consume meat products, because I have come to believe it is wrong for me to do so, on a spiritual level. But at the same time I think I have the right to advocate that position, I myself had a vegan coworker for several years before I became one myself, and I thought he was totally nuts! His ideas could not reach me because I was closed to them at that time. What I am trying to say is that it is an idea of a way to live that sort of has to unfold based on increased knowledge and a lot of thought. The time has to be right in your life to have the space and peace and the inclination to even think about philosophical things like that. Becoming vegan also is kind of strange in that it deepens over time. Things that you would not think twice about become important because you come to see them in a different way. I have no compunctions at all about sticking my fist up a dead turkey to clean it and stuff it a few years ago. But last summer by nephew was staying with us for a few days, and I opened my refrigerator and saw a barbecued chicken sitting there. It didn't look like dinner to me anymore--it was a dead bird in my refrigerator, and it grossed me out and I started screaming about it. I have really mixed feelings about the more radical parts of the vegan movement. I think some people may be driven away rather than attracted by some of the tactics they use. On the other hand, factory farming is something the meat industry is trying to keep a secret, and that makes me angry because it is such a despicable business practice and so bad for the planet. So I am pretty conflicted on many levels.