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To: Bill who wrote (96385)	2/23/2005 2:51:04 PM
From: MulhollandDrive	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

is not clear whether Dr Campbell addresses the type of situation that exists with the Masai. Of course, it might be difficult to defend his conclusions as "scientifically" derived if he didn't examine the lack of these diseases. highly correlated variables do not mean that one causes the other. correlation does not imply causation, to establish causation, a designed experiment must be run. googling the masai, and found this...of some interest...(take it for what its worth) (i tend to think eating oh....say ....nutter butters... with their plant based trans fats are for more hazardous to one's health than a filet mignon<g>) diabetes-normalsugars.com Other research on trans fats Enig and the University of Maryland group were not alone in their efforts to bring their concerns about the effect of partially hydrogenated fats before the public. Fred Kummerow at the University of Illinois, blessed with independent funding and an abundance of patience, carried out a number of studies that indicated that the trans fats increased risk factors associated with heart disease, and that vegetable-oil-based fabricated foods such as Egg Beaters cannot support life.38 George Mann, formerly with the Framingham project, possessed neither funding nor patience—he was, in fact, very angry with what he called the Diet/Heart scam. His independent studies of the Masai in Africa,39 whose diet is extremely rich in cholesterol and saturated fat, and who are virtually free of heart disease, had convinced him that the lipid hypothesis was “the public health diversion of this century. . . the greatest scam in the history of medicine.” He resolved to bring the issue before the public by organizing a conference in Washington DC in November of 1991.

To: Bill who wrote (96385)	2/24/2005 3:26:49 PM
From: Grainne	Respond to of 108807

Not only were the Masai eating a totally natural diet--even though it was meat--but the milk they drank sat around in big ladles all day fermenting, which creates a different product than the dairy consumed today. They also used a lot of herbs in their cooking, and chewed vast amounts of chicle, which may have altered their blood chemistry. But as I pointed out in my last post, they did indeed have atherosclerotic artieries. They were so tall that their arteries were unusually large, however. They also got almost constant hard exercise. The meat they consumed was not poisoned with pesticides and growth hormones and industrial pollutants. You certainly cannot use the Masai to support a diet rich in red meat as being healthful, although the Cattleman's Association certainly hopes you will be stupid enough to do so! I didn't read Campbell's book yet. I am waiting for it to go on discount at Amazon's, or to borrow a copy from the library. I did sit through a very long lecture aimed at medical doctors, so it was pretty serious and full of charts and graphs. Now you, too, Bill, can do exactly the same thing! Watch Dr. Campbell's lecture on web tv. Although it is a lecture from 2003, I am sure he will be discussing the same things, generally. Now watch the lecture PLEASE before you write any more posts based on no actual knowledge of Campbell's research. Go to vegsource.com, and then look down and to the right. There is a whole series of health lectures available for anyone who is interested. Dr. Campbell's is among them. I will be very interested to see what you think after you have watched the video.