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To: bentway who wrote (72839)	2/24/2005 3:11:09 PM
From: Crimson Ghost	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Letter from Ralph Nader Dear Friends: Since freedom and democracy are such a good thing, why not put it to the people of Iraq – in a national referendum – whether or not they want us to leave? Why not give the Iraqi people the right to exercise their “democracy” and vote whether or not they want “freedom” from our military and corporate occupation? Why not? Because eighty percent of Iraqis want us out. So do a majority of Americans. Why? Because the occupation of Iraq is not about freedom and democracy. It is about oil and military occupation. More and more Americans know the nature of the disaster that the Bush government, in our name, has created in oil-rich Iraq – over 100,000 Iraqi civilian lives lost (according to the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health), over 1,400 American lives lost, and thousands more seriously wounded and sick. People see the news stories describing the U.S. corporate takeover of Iraq through insider-deal corporate contractors with Bush administration donors. Through the Democracy Rising Peace Project we will help ignite the American people to say – Bring the troops home, it is time for a responsible and rapid withdrawal from Iraq. Enough lives lost, enough billions spent – it is time to leave Iraq to the Iraqis. The case against the war and occupation of Iraq, and the corporate takeover of our democracy is well documented. People want to know – what are we to do? Now is the time to act. It is time to organize to end the illegal war and occupation of Iraq. The U.S. corporate and military forces will end up pulling out of Iraq. The question is – when? Months? Years? Decades? After how many more preventable deaths, debilitating injuries and diseases? After how much destruction? That's up to us. Together we can end the occupation and bring the troops home safely. Sincerely, Ralph Nader

To: bentway who wrote (72839)	2/24/2005 3:22:54 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

New pro-iran Dawa party shiaa leader who probably will become PM, says he wants US to stay until iraq military up to the task. There is no way to know how this will turn out and whether the effort was worthwhile. All we know now is that the war was easier than we thought, pacification harder, mistakes were made and thru all of it elections were held and a govt and a system are being created. How would you feel if it worked out and iraq became a federal republic with some democracy and indy rights within the framework of islam as the countries religion--you know something the iranian people might aspire to and the turkish people already have. Something the Kurds all want. Something that the egyptian and lebanese people seem to want. Will you be depressed because bush will get the credit or will you suck it up and give him some credit. Of course it go the other way and history will judge the iraq war as a failure or unnnecessary adventure.