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To: Joe NYC who wrote (220696)	2/24/2005 10:28:58 PM
From: Peter Dierks	Respond to of 1572507

Reform risks that it will be revealed to the country that SS is partly a welfare scheme. The greater percentage of SS taxes is diverted to private accounts the more glaring the "welfare" element of the SS will become. Dems love welfare, but are unable to state it publicly and win, so they depend on deception to advance their agenda. It must be more difficult to be a Democrat than I thought. They always seem to be discussing their feelings. But they never seem, to be able to stay on topic long enough to discuss facts. Here you are pointing out that they are deceptive about the real purpose for their anti-people stand. So not only are they anti-people, but they are uncommonly good liars about it. That must be why they stood by Clinton after his lies under oath were proven. Former Senator and 911 Commission member, Bob Kerry, said of Clinton that he was an uncommonly good liar.

To: Joe NYC who wrote (220696)	2/24/2005 10:38:47 PM
From: Amy J	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572507

Jozef, RE: "I think the existence of formulas that redirect money, so that the low wage earners receive benefits out of proportion to mid and high earners is another reason why Dems are so much against any reform." This is one part of Bush's plan that I was super surprised the Dems in Congress didn't grab onto in a positive way. This aspect of his proposal is a gift to the needy, for sure, and so was surprised to see Bush do this. So why are Dems in Congress against it? Am personally annoyed with the cap because it restricts savings by the middle class where the volume of people exist and thus doesn't exactly help grow the 1% savings rate as much as what it could to help solve the USD devaluation tanking the stock market, but definitely can see it's a great way to help poor people because it gives poor people the ability to contribute more money as a % than the middle-class. As far as the rich go, there are charitable trust for stock options and fancy insurance investment vehicles that allow people to sock away as much money as wanted for retirement that's tax deferred. Overall, the only one that gets screwed in all of this is the middle class person. Maybe that's why Dems are against it? Regards, Amy J