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To: tejek who wrote (221124)	2/28/2005 3:23:31 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1587853

China has no individual human rights, rule of law, representative government, respect for minorities, freedom of speech and/or acknowledgement that the people of Tibet don't want to be a part of their country. But you are holding up the fact that China is becoming more capitalistic as a sign that the carrot approach is better than the stick approach. Well, read on....

To: tejek who wrote (221124)	2/28/2005 3:23:32 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1587853

Not if the carrots are really juicy. Look at China.......it is voluntarily transitioning to a capitalist country. I think its the economic success of the democracies that is causing this transition. Holding out economic carrots makes the transition all that more palatable. China hasn't been given any carrots! China is allowed to participate EQUALLY in the world's economy. That's normal relations, not a reward. There's nothing REALLY JUICY about being able to manufacture and sell products into the world's economy. The issue with carrots vs. sticks in the ME and NK is rewarding rogue nations for being less bad (that's a carrot). In other words, if they just live up to their treaties and obligations you give them food aid and technology transfer, a form of nation to nation welfare. All the countries that currently have sanctions on them didn't have sanctions at one point, and had the "carrot" that China now has (which is just being treated normally, hardly a carrot), and they screwed up and got punished. And China has given up communism to get capitalism, that's not really even an issue in the ME where most countries are capitalistic already. If you want to force a dictator to adopt democracy, you've gotta threaten to kill him. Any dictator will gladly adopt capitalism (given some carrots) because he gets a disproportionate share of the wealth that will be created. You're confusing economic change with political change.