To: Elroy who wrote (221245 ) 3/1/2005 2:32:42 PM From: tejek Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573545 I don't believe that horrific and senseless violence will lead to democracy esp. when that violence is being perpetrated by an outside power who is the one fighting for the democracy, and not the people of that nation. Well, I'll ignore the fact that the above sentence refers to the Iraq of two years ago, as most of the violence in Iraq today appears to be from Iraqis against Iraqis that want peace and democracy, and the reason I'll ignore the sentence is because...... Hey, its your choice to ignore what I said but to do so will get you no closer to understanding my position.I didn't ask you what your beliefs are, I asked why always highlight the negative things that are occurring in the ME, but you never celebrate the many good things? Your answer is.....you did.....once? Because I don't see it as a positive that an election was made possible only because of the close supervision of 150K soldiers from a superpower. I don't see it as a positive when 15-20% of the population abstained out of fear and/or rebellion. I don't see as a positive the election in Afghanistan when the prime minister can't leave the capital out of fear for his life. I don't see it as a positive that after two years, Iraq is in a constant state of chaos where gas is in short supply [in a nation with the second largest oil reserves in the world]. Where the electricity is on 2 hours and off 4 hours. I don't see it as a positive that we are at this stage of chaos after two years of deaths, maiming and billions of dollars expended. Adding to my pessimism is the fact that we were tricked by our leaders into going over to Iraq in the first place. I don't see it as a positive that after three years, the only thing that is keeping the Afghan economy together is foreign aid and the opium trade. Now if you want to be some over-the-edge pollyanna, then you go for it. However, don't tell me how I should be........I have a brain and I don't like what I see.Why are you so interested in cutting and pasting articles about 8 people getting killed in a small Iraqi town, but you never cut and paste articles about positive things that occur in Iraq??? What positives? That Ahmad has opened up a small grocery on the corner of Euphrates and Tigris, or that all the schools have been repainted? That 50% of the population got their index fingers painted purple on the same day? That you only have to carry an uzi at nite to be safe? That the Sharia is once again becoming the rule of law in Iraq?The truth : the positives are few and the negatives are many......and huge. You can fools some of the people some of the time......but some of us are smarter than that. ted