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To: Orcastraiter who wrote (58606)	3/2/2005 6:48:08 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

Imagine the adjustments we have had to make over the past 1000 years in order to be a modern techno culture. The Saudis were nomadic tribesmen 50 years ago. Now they have all the state of the art technology and are waited on hand and foot by Pakistani servants. No self respecting Saudi would leave home without a perfect manicure. Yet, the values and traditions of decades gone by are pressing hard. It is a monoculture that is suffering from a unique form of culture shock and values conflicts. The trend seems to be pointing toward a type of class system not too unlike what came from the British move from absolute monarcy to a parliamentary based government. The country is engaged in social revolution that will force some serious changes in the near future. The players are fundamentalists, Tribalists, and secularists. Currently the Tribalists are holding all the cards. Within the Saud tribe there is some division and outside their tribe are radical revolutionaries from all perspectives.

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (58606)	3/3/2005 6:13:33 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

Orca....Thanks for coming up with an answer. My question again was.....Yes I knew that, but how have these powerful government people controlled the population for 1500 years or so?..... Message 21096660 You said....."For the last 50 years the ruling family has become very wealthy. That keeps them in power. That and a very close relationship with the US. Especially the Bush family."..... Do you really believe that this is the reason and the way the powerful in Saudi Arabia control their population? Remember your original question to me. You had asked me this...."What kind of freedom does ally Saudi Arabia have?"..... Message 21092486 And you said this...."Saudi Arabia is not free.".... Message 21096462 So let me put this another way...In what way are Saudi Arabia citizens not free... what keeps them from being free as you stated? You said...."They are well taken care of, so they don't care about education or jobs."..... I agree with one thing. They don't care or want a modern education....IMO that's why the rich Saudi's come to Western countries for a real and proper education.

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (58606)	3/6/2005 11:52:44 PM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

Orca, you wrote: I met a guy from Saudi Arabia. He came to the US to study. He had a nice car and a nice apartment. He didn't care too much about school. I told him one day that he'd better study for the test. He said what for? I'm rich. And if the oil runs out I still don't care, I'll go back to drinking camel's milk in the desert. I, too, met a young wealthy Arab student who enrolled at an American university ostensibly to study economics. But he spent most of his time dating and having sex frequently with lovely young American coeds and other women. When he was finally asked to leave for failing to make the grades, he took two gals along with him, apparently for some sort of menage a trois while enroute home to Saudi Arabia. He left them both in Singapore. He gave each of them rich gifts and more than enough money to return home. He told me he would be enrolling in another university and enjoying himself thoroughly. He said, "When I can afford to have so much fun why put myself in a bloodbath of study.........."