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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (103170)3/3/2005 2:39:22 PM
From: carranza2  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793955
 
Fred is good but Fred on Mexico is fabulous--he gets it.

I'm linking his Mexico columns for the sheer pleasure of them, hope LB doesn't object. Go to the left, click on anything vaguely resembling a Mexican theme:

fredoneverything.net

I especially liked this column:

Seeptember 10, 2004

When I write that I like Mexico, that it enjoys much that we have lost, that Latin societies are more livable if less prosperous than ours, dismissive letters arrive. They amount to the same letter: “If Mexico is so great, how come they all want to come to the United States?” The writers invariably believe that they have made a telling point.

Mexico is not so great, of course. It has plenty of problems. But why do Mexicans swim the river? Money. Period. If asked, an immigrant will usually say that he seeks “una vida mejor,” a better life. He means “Money.”

Mexicans and gringos have distinctly different views of the United States. An American explaining the attractiveness of his country will usually say, “I have a big house in the suburbs, three cars, a home theater, and 300 channels on the cable. I can drink the water, and in the mall I can buy anything, absolutely anything.” He may talk of freedom and democracy, often having only the vaguest idea of whether he actually has them or what conditions might be in other countries.

A Mexican is more likely to say, “They are such a cold people. They don’t know their neighbors. They don’t know their children. They have no fiestas. Rules and being on time are more important to them than other people. They have no religion.” (To a robust Catholic, bland agnostic Protestantism isn’t detectibly a religion.) Democracy means little to an illegal with a second-grade education; in any event, Mexico is probably as democratic as the United States. He knows the government left him alone in Mexico, which is his definition of freedom. And mine.

But money counts when you don't have any. It counts a lot. And so they come whether they like the country or not. Very often they do not. This is going to matter.

Now, do the “all Mexicans” of my mail want to emigrate, to attach themselves to the northern nanny’s promiscuous dugs? No. Few do. Who then are the emigrants?

For starters, they are not doctors, chemists, and airline pilots. Successful Mexicans do not want to go to the United States. Mexicans who are merely comfortable do not want to go to the United States. They like Mexico. This is very difficult to explain to most Americans, who know beyond doubt that Mexico has lesser malls. But it is a fact.

The Mexicans who go north are the losers, the failures, the barely if at all literate, those with little to offer. They go because the Mexican economy is wretched, because the jobs that left the United States for Mexico are now leaving Mexico for China. Money. The United States can run a first-world economy. Mexico cannot. Why is debatable. The fact isn't.

While Mexicans are good people, their dregs often are not. On average the immigrants are uncultivated, uneducated, and of low intelligence. One may not mention the matter of intelligence, but it is well known among people who pay attention to such things, and has implications for the future. America is getting those Mexicans least worth getting, the least assimilable, and getting them in circumstances that do not encourage assimilation. Unlikely to prosper, they show signs of becoming another unsalvageable underclass.

Being Latins, they are not comfortable in an impersonal, technological northern European culture that values performance, competition, efficiency and punctuality. It isn’t their way. Often they plan to make money and return to Mexico; many then develop ties and remain. Yet even then they stay among their own. Their numbers as they swarm across the border are such that they can do it. If they don’t want to assimilate, don’t have to assimilate, and don’t have the wherewithal to assimilate—don’t expect assimilation.

Further, Latin Americans resent the United States for its great wealth and for their own poverty, which they tend to blame on exploitation by American corporations. Whether this characterization is correct (it isn't) doesn’t matter. The resentment does.

Mexicans know that much of the American southwest was once part of Mexico, taken from them by force of arms. Americans, having been the victors and in any case being historically illiterate, know little of this. Mexicans do. Few know the dates or the politics, yet they have a sense of grievance, a sense that these states are really theirs. They are getting them back. They know it. They view the reconquista with the relish with which they watch a Mexican soccer team beat the US.

Their envy, their sense of inferiority and of failure, breeds hostility in the southwestern barrios. This is far less true of Mexicans in Mexico. In a couple of years in the interior, I have found people to be friendly and courteous. The only exceptions, apart from my experiences during a couple of unwise forays into seriously low bars, have involved males who clearly had spent time in the US.

Comparisons are made between Mexican immigrants and, say, Italians, a Latin people who melded well into American society. A word of caution here: Assimilation is proportional to contact. When a minority population is sufficiently large, and sufficiently concentrated, the consequence is not assimilation, but the establishment of a sort of country within a country. There are for example countless huge black regions of the cities where one can go for days without seeing a white face. Whites barely know that these places exist. The inmates are not assimilating. The same appears to be happening with the Mexicans.

Perhaps as important, past immigrants have cut their ties with their native countries, and have arrived with the conscious desire of becoming Americans. Mexicans, very often, do not want to be Americans, and the mother country is right across the border. The phrase “trans-border de facto semi-sovereignty” is not Milton. It merits thought.

Worse for America, much worse, is that far too many of them perform terribly in school. Dropout rates are very high, auguring ill for the future. Mexicans are not an academic people (as, increasingly, neither are Americans). In the barrios, their Spanish is barbarous. So is their English. Crime is high. The press will not talk much about crime, but the police know.

And—here I am on statistically shaky ground, as there are no statistics—the young too often seem to be assimilating to the black underclass rather than to the central white current. Mexican machismo and the ghetto strut of the black underclass have much in common. Rap is popular among low-class Mexican males. It is the music of defiant losers, of macho swagger and rejection of white America.

Black and Mexican won’t unite. They don’t like each other. Anger will come when the growing and better organized Mexicans take the southwestern cities from the blacks. One country, three nations, little compatibility, and no love lost.

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This one is very good too:
Crime South Of The Rio Bravo

Reflections On The Virtue Of Lawlessness



December 8, 2003

I am sad to report that Mexico is the most criminal of countries. Let me illustrate.

Suppose that you were subject to, say, horrendous sinus infections or earaches. In America, by law you would have to get an appointment with a doctor, $75, thank you—when he had time, how about day after tomorrow, whereupon he would give you a prescription for amoxicillin, fifteen bucks and a trip to a pharmacy. If this happened on a Friday, you would either slit your wrists by Saturday evening to avoid the torture, or go to an emergency room, however distant, where they would charge you a fortune and give you a prescription for…amoxicillin.

In Mexico, upon recognizing the familiar symptoms, you would go to the nearest farmacia and buy the amoxicillin. The agony would be nipped in the bud (presuming that agony has buds). The doctor would not get $75, which is against all principles of medicine. The pharmacist would not lose his license, as he would in the United States.

See? Criminality is legal in Mexico. That’s how bad things are.

Another grave crime here is horse abuse. Often you see a Mexican father clopping through town on an unregistered horse—yes: the horror—with his kid of five seated behind him. A large list of crimes leaps instantly to the North American mind. The kid is not in a governmentally sanctioned horse seat. He is not wearing a helmet. The father is not wearing a helmet. The horse is not wearing a helmet. The horse is not wearing a diaper. The horse does not have a parade permit. The horse doesn’t have turn signals. The father does not have a document showing that he went to a governmentally approved school and therefore knows how to operate a horse, which he has been doing since he was six years old.

In Mexico, if you want to ride a horse, you get one, or borrow one. If you don’t know how to ride it, you have someone to show you. Why any of this might interest the government is unclear to everybody, including the government.

You see. Here is the dark underside of Mexico. People do most things without supervision, as if they were adults.

This curious state of affairs, which might be called “freedom,” has strange effects on gringos. Shortly after I moved here, I began to hear little voices. This worried me until I realized that I was next door to a grade school. Daily at noon a swarm of children erupted into the street, the girls chattering and running every which way, the boys shouting and roughhousing and playing what sounded like cowboys and Injuns.

In the United States, half of the boys would be forced to take drugs to make them inert. If they played anything involving guns, they would be suspended and forced to undergo psychiatric counseling, which would in all likelihood leave them in a state of murderous psychopathy. Wrestling would be violence, with the same results.

Here you see the extent to which, narcotically, Mexico lags the great powers. The Soviets drugged inconvenient adults into passivity. America drugs its little boys into passivity. Mexico doesn’t drug anyone.

In fiesta season, which just ended, everybody and his grand aunt Chuleta puts up a taco stand or booze stall on the plaza. Yes: In front of God and everybody. These do not have permits. They are just there. If you want a cuba libre, you give the nice lady twenty pesos and she hands it to you. That’s all. There is in this a simplicity that the North American instantly recognizes as dangerous. Where are the controls? Where are the rules? Why isn’t somebody watching these people? Heaven knows what might happen. They could be terrorists.

If you chose to wander around the plaza, drink in hand, and listen to the band, no one would care in the least, in part because they would be doing the same thing. If you didn’t finish your drink, and walked home with it, no one would pay the least attention.

In America this would be Drinking in Public. It would merit a night in jail followed by three months of compulsory Alcohol School. This would accomplish nothing of worth, but would put money in the pockets of controlling and vaguely hostile therapists, and let unhappy bureaucrats get even with people they suspect of enjoying themselves.

Mexicans seem to regard laws as interesting concepts that might merit thought at some later date. There is much to be said for this. The governmental attitude seems to be that if a thing doesn’t need regulating, then don’t regulate it. Life is much easier that way.

If a law doesn’t make sense in a particular instance, a Mexican will ignore it. Where I live it is common to see a driver go the wrong way on a one-way street to avoid a lengthy circumnavigation. Since speeds are about five miles an hour, it isn’t dangerous. The police don’t patrol because there isn’t enough crime (in my town: the big cities are as bad as ours) to justify it. It works. Everybody is happy, which isn’t a crime in Mexico.

I could go on. In Mexico, legally or not, people ride in the backs of pickup trucks if the mood strikes them. This is no doubt statistically more dangerous than being wrapped in a Kevlar crash-box with an oxygen system and automatic transfusion machine. They figure it is their business.

Here is an explanation of Mexican criminality. The United States realizes that a citizen must be protected whether he wants to be or not—controlled, regulated, and intimidated in every aspect of everything he does, for his own good. He must not be permitted to ride a bicycle without a helmet, smoke if he chooses, or go to a bar where smoking is permitted. He cannot be trusted to run his life.

Have you ever wondered how much good the endless surveillance, preaching, and rules really do? In some states your car won’t pass inspection if there is a crack in the windshield. There are—I don’t doubt?—studies measuring the carnage and economic wreckage concomitant to driving with a cracked windshield. Presumably whole hospitals groan at the seams (if that’s quite English) with the maimed and halt.

Or might it be that the rules are just stupid, the product of meddlesome bureaucrats and frightened petty officials with too much time on their hands? Maybe it would be better if they just got off our backs?

Nah.



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (103170)3/3/2005 3:58:17 PM
From: greenspirit  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793955
 
A priceless post Maurice! Too funny!

Oh, by the way, my estimate of cell phone penetration in the African Gulf of Guinea area is less than 10%. Long, long way to go. I was surprised even in the poorest areas of Ghana you could get cell phone reception.

200 million more people are waiting for your CDMA technology. Although I think they better figure out how to get clean water and decent housing, first!



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (103170)3/3/2005 5:45:28 PM
From: SirWalterRalegh  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793955
 
"That's why people can NEVER take up golf when they are 22....."

Great post Maurice. A reasonable explanation as to why women are
mathematically challenged...they are even challenged with arithmetic.

Back to your quote above about golf. As with most things there are always
exceptions. Larry Nelson took up golf after returning from Viet Nam and won the U. S. Open in 1983.
services.golfweb.com

RB

PS- My wife who comes from a family with high IQ's counts
with her fingers.



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (103170)3/4/2005 10:14:14 AM
From: Mary Cluney  Respond to of 793955
 
but for the most part [nearly always] I find myself agreeing with Fred.

I am disappointed. I thought for sure you were a lot smarter <g> But, I will get back to some of Fred's silly notions a little later.

There is no reason why the distribution of brainpower in any of those groups should be the same as all the others. There's no universal gravitational constant for intelligence of various types which results in all groups having the same median, mean and distribution.

I agree. So what?

The difference between men and women is because of innate differences. I doubt if it could even be bred out. A few generations of breeding of negroes, or tall people, or short people would be enough to make their intelligence match another group.

But women, that's another matter.


That is so silly. Through breeding, you could improve the intelligence of any group - but not women!!!

Think that one over again.

But women, that's another matter. They have structural differences in two ways which cannot be changed. One is they are missing a Y chromosome. They are stuck with two XXs.

Is that good or bad? I know what you think, but please don't bother to explain.

I admit I haven't studied biology and aren't totally sure what those X and Y chromosomes do, but I bet it's quite a big deal and algebra could well be an issue.

...and what is your opinion about the impact of X and Y chromosomes in the formulation and study of string theory. But, spare me an answer on that one. I am just not up to it - at the moment.

That's why people can NEVER take up golf when they are 22 and think they can beat Tiger Woods who started when he was 1.

You know a lot of stuff, but sports is not one of your better subjects. But, that doesn't mean that a lot of what you observe is not true. You can observe a lot just by watching (Yogi Berra).

Before Tiger Woods, the distribution of top level black golfers was nearly zero - not appearing on any standard deviation chart. The obvious conclusion then was that blacks lacked certain "innate necessities" to compete in golf.

Similarly, Jim Dent didn't take up golf until late in life, but became one of the highest money winners on the senior circuit - beating Arnold Palmer, Gary Player, and Jack Nicklaus in money earned on the senior circuit. Jim Dent also happens to be black just as Calvin Peete didn't take up golf until after the age of 20 and won on the PGA tour. Calvin Peete was not only black, he was also physically impaired (I just don't recall how so).

I could go on and on in sports, but for now, so much for sports analogies.

The education of girls needs to be different from that of boys. It needs to allow for the brain development of the individual. Overall, girls need earlier introduction to things. Bad luck for them, but they are [on average] stuck with a shorter period of childhood and therefore have a shorter time to cram it all in.

You didn't study biology and I don't know how much psychology and sociology you studied - but feel free to make your comments. Don't let anything intrude on your musings - it's not like you were president of Harvard University or anything <g>.

So now you know. Women are different. Which is pretty obvious really. It's innate. Nature has created specialization by gender.

Unfortunately not everything is WYSIWYG. At one time everyone (nearly everyone) thought the earth was flat. There are times where there is just not enough information to draw any conclusions. But, when you are only guessing (making a WAG), you have to have the humility to realize that you could be totally wrong. But as long as you are only musing things out loud and not making policy, not many people are going to be hurt by your possibly being wrong. However, when you, Fred, and a whole lot of people are wrong (and have the wrong attitude) then maybe a whole lot of people could be hurt.

I dislike violent expressions such as "putting a knife in the heart of Fred's notions". There are altogether too many commonly used violent expressions like that. "Heads will roll" etc... I prefer more ladylike expressions.

I agree. I was trying to evoke a Gothic (Bram Stoker) imagery. I totally missed the mark.

For example they look great in bikinis, draped over a new car.

It sounds like you still have some interest in women. But, my sense is that attitudes like that do not go over well with a lot of the younger women these days. Enough said about that.

for the most part [nearly always] I find myself agreeing with Fred.

Fred is prolific and he is a lot smarter than I am. I can see that. I can also see that he is wrong on a lot of stuff. Being smart and being good at some stuff does not always mean a lot. There are people who can add up all the numbers on railroad box cars as they go by and do amazing calculations, but who are otherwise idiots. I think they are called idiot savants. There are idiot savants that can do all kinds of stuff with memory, solving puzzles, playing with words, know a lot stuff., etc.

Nevertheless, not to change the subject, on Fred's silly logic stuff:

A combination of stupidity and aggressiveness is conducive to violent crime. What characteristically do you find in prisons? Stupid, aggressive men. Why so many blacks in prison? Largely because of an almost infinitely documented fifteen-point deficit in intelligence, however measured, between blacks and whites.

According to Fred, the main characteristics for going to jail are stupid and aggressive men. Now, blacks make up 12% of the US population, yet they make up more than 50% of the prison. If you do the math, and using Fred's logic, there should be on a normal curve, more aggressive men not black then there are in the whole black population that includes Colin Powell and Barack Obama.

The fact that more than 50% of the prison population is black, the other stupid and aggressive men are under represented in the prison population.

The conclusion has to be that the main characteristics are not at all stupid and aggressive men, but skin color.

Dark skin color is what puts you in jail - at least, according to Fred's logic.

So much of what he says falls into this category of faulty logic - I just don't have the innate intelligence or patience to fully address it.