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To: tsigprofit who wrote (15817)	3/5/2005 7:36:03 PM
From: Ron	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

There is a great deal of hypocrisy and delusion regarding our troops in Iraq. As a veteran of the US Army who saw firsthand fellow soldiers dealing with amputations, severe mental problems, drug addiction, loss of genitals, loss of limbs, brain damage, deformed faces, loss of speech, loss of hearing,loss of girlfriends and wives, blindness, and alienation from society, war should be America's last choice. One of my most graphic memories is the young medic who returned to the states. He had served at Hamburger Hill in Vietnam. If you are not aware of what happened there, it is worth looking up. He was a farm boy from Georgia. He did not last long. Suicide. Bush chose to invade Iraq. And none of his pre-stated reasons turned out to be true. For this, I personally would have preferred that he and the rest of his chickenhawks been tried for treason and recieve the appropriate sentence. But since that did not happen, the only patriotic thing to do is to remember the troops that are there, and support them by calling for their return home. I am not a pacifist. I do believe there are just wars. Killing tens of thousands of civilians in the mideast to obtain secure sources of oil is not a just war in my book. In my view the people running this administration are the modern equivalent of pharisees. They claim to be religious, fighters for freedom. But they are like whitened tombs, which appear outwardly clean but inside are full of dead men's bones and rotting flesh.* A curse be upon them. *Matthew:23

To: tsigprofit who wrote (15817)	3/6/2005 11:32:45 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 20773

Re: I think the best way to support the troops is to get them the hell out of there, ASAP - we don't belong there. I haven't really confronted any pro-war morons on this issue in a couple of years. I happened to run into a group of about five teenagers at one anti-war rally a couple years ago that is relevant to this discussion. These boys were across the street from the anti-war group, and were Boy Scouts. They were disparaging about the anti-war group, so I started to ask them about the war. The leader of this band was probably 15 years old, and he was damn good at parroting George Bush and Rush Limbaugh. I could see that he'd drunk too much of the Kool-Aid, but the younger boys seemed willing to hear me out when I talked about the obviousness of the lies we were being told. These kids had been brainwashed about "Supporting the Troops", and when I suggested that the best way to support troops was to keep them home and out of harm's way, it seemed like the boys were dumbfounded at the concept. The American sheeple are not real strong on logic, or good sense. So we ended our debate with their leader being just as brainwashed, me being just as anti-war, and some of the younger boys maybe a little more skeptical of their leader's good sense. To me, that was progress.