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To: GVTucker who wrote (67232)3/7/2005 9:07:27 AM
From: Elroy  Respond to of 77400
 
That's interesting, so for taxes they calculate options expense as what they actually gave away (the intrinsic value) when they gave it away (on exercise).

Seems they should be able to do that for accounting purposes as well, but it would make for amazingly lumpy quarters, even amazingly lumpy years, so perhaps it wouldn't make sense to give a picture of current business trends.

Reminds me of Lucent, a company that is operating at a cash operating margin of something like 1%-2%, but reporting an accounting operating margin of about 10% due to non-cash pension credits flowing through their income statements. The pension credit makes their current operations appear tremendously more profitable than they actually are.



To: GVTucker who wrote (67232)3/7/2005 2:14:46 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 77400
 
do you know if the expensing formula for tax treatment for options will have to switch to black scholes when expensing comes down?

It would have to, I think.

Of course I wouldn't be surprised if somebody makes a case somewhere that bs is appropriate for the balance sheet but NOT for taxes.