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To: TimF who wrote (222668)	3/7/2005 6:41:14 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574485

I've argued that the expense for social security will make Iraq look like a rounding error, and that Medicare will be more expensive then both of those put together, but tightly capping or cutting CO2 emissions will have an expense that makes all three of those things put together totally insignificant in comparison. And if global warming is the threat that the worst alarmists think it is Kyoto won't do to much about it anyway because it excepts countries like China and India. I think it really depends on your intention and POV. You seem to have been filled with the usual scare tactics eminating from the right. Below is another perspective........its too bad we are not more positive as a country! "The European report concludes that the EU could achieve between 85 and 95 per cent of its Kyoto target without harming the competitiveness of its economies, with smart policies being able to offset the remaining competitive impacts. Achieving its Kyoto target could cost the EU as little as 0.06 per cent of its gross domestic product in 2010 - a trifling amount for the budgets of the 15 EU nations - equivalent to around 3 billion Euros a year. Moreover, since climate protection policies also reduce other air pollutants, this would lead to financial savings on end-of-pipe technologies that reduce acid rain in Europe. Those savings could substantially cover the small cost to the EU of meeting Kyoto." 16.07.01 Japan and Europe to make economic gains by ratifying Kyoto without the USA Bonn, Germany - As negotiators converge on Bonn to discuss rules for implementing the Kyoto Protocol, two reports from WWF, the conservation organization, show that Japan and the EU will benefit economically and gain market share in new technologies if they adopt the Kyoto Protocol, even without the United States. The WWF reports show that claims by President George W Bush that reducing global warming pollution is economically harmful are misguided. The two reports, one focusing on Japan, and the other on the European Union, both say that implementing the Kyoto Protocol can benefit economic performance and stimulate industrial innovation, despite the US not participating in the treaty. For Japan, the report finds that proactive implementation of the Protocol by business, in ways that continue the industrial trends of recent years, could translate into a 0.9 per cent increase in gross domestic product (GDP), or around $47.3 billion. The European report concludes that unilateral implementation of the Kyoto Protocol by the EU could give its industries a head start in developing innovative technologies for reducing global warming pollution. The report says that an 'early' start with climate change policies could lead to substantial cost reductions for Europe in the future. WWF believes that the conclusions of the reports underline the importance to Japan and the EU of seizing the opportunity of the Bonn climate summit that opens today to galvanise international support for Kyoto and put an end to the prevarication that has characterised the years of talks. "The findings are very clear - Japan and the EU should finalise and ratify the Kyoto Protocol because it will be an economic winner for them," said Jennifer Morgan, Director of WWF's Climate Change Campaign. "It will give Japan and the EU new opportunities in new markets. They can become world leaders in energy-efficient and clean, renewable energy technologies." The authors of the Japanese report say that, "Japan could greatly benefit its own economy by going ahead with ratification of the Kyoto Protocol. It is hard to understand why Japan's government and industry should hold back." They also argue that Kyoto ratification could very well serve as an excellent springboard to break Japan out of its long economic slump. Other conclusions in their report are that most Asian countries and western Europe could benefit economically from spillover effects of Japan implementing Kyoto. The analysis projects GDP increasing by around $11.5 billion in South East Asia and India, and by $13.9 billion in western Europe. In contrast, the report concludes that the GDP of the United States could decrease by around $45.5 billion, or about 0.6 per cent, primarily as a result of its machinery industry not being driven to innovate. The European report concludes that the EU could achieve between 85 and 95 per cent of its Kyoto target without harming the competitiveness of its economies, with smart policies being able to offset the remaining competitive impacts. Achieving its Kyoto target could cost the EU as little as 0.06 per cent of its gross domestic product in 2010 - a trifling amount for the budgets of the 15 EU nations - equivalent to around 3 billion Euros a year. Moreover, since climate protection policies also reduce other air pollutants, this would lead to financial savings on end-of-pipe technologies that reduce acid rain in Europe. Those savings could substantially cover the small cost to the EU of meeting Kyoto. "In order to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, you have to innovate and come up with new technologies," said Professor Kornelis Blok, co-author of the EU report. "If the US does not ratify Kyoto and the EU and Japan do, they will gain a competitive advantage." "WWF wants to see political leadership in Bonn that answers public concern over global warming," added Jennifer Morgan. "Governments have all the information they need to finalize the Kyoto Protocol. There is no excuse for further delay or for walking away from this treaty." wwf.org.nz

To: TimF who wrote (222668)	3/7/2005 8:31:59 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574485

"And increasing research in to increasing iron in the oceans or other ways to increase phyto-plankton to take in CO2." That has been done. The limiting factor for phytoplankton is usually iron, followed by phosphorus. Running a ship through waters, especially polar waters, dumping iron chloride or iron phosphate in its wake greatly stimulates phytoplankton bloom. This has been known for a generation or more, there have been experiments since the 1980's showing strong results. Here is a list of papers. csa.com And no, capping CO2 emissions wouldn't be all that expensive if combined with measures like above. Those with the power to do something don't want to.