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To: LindyBill who wrote (103599)3/7/2005 10:07:38 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793777
 
Independent: Was Bush Right After All?
littlegreenfootballs.com
Robert Fisk will have steam shooting out of his ears tomorrow morning.

Joe's Dartblog - I dislike the article for several reasons, but within this particular paragraph, what bothers me is the marginalization of the Bush doctrine. "No one imagined that events would so soon..."
dartblog.com

These worldly happenings are not 'so soon'. They are a long time coming. Four years, to be precise. Most conservatives- more accurately, most Bush voters- were not paying lip service to poetry and patriotism when they said that September 11th changed them. It is a heartfelt notion; that trauma can have more than a visceral impact. That it can change not only opinions but minds and hearts. 9/11 did just that for many, many Americans.

The sixty-two million that voted to re-elect President Bush are a diverse group, but one thing that they all understood was the power of freedom. The valuation of liberty is made not only through dissent; Kerry voters had that down. It is made through respect, sacrifice, courage, and the will to extend one's own bounty to others.

The idea that a shot at freedom would unravel the grasps of despots in the Middle East was not born during that January speech. The doctrine that democracy will be projected throughout the world and that its power alone would tip the balance towards peace was not Bush's new policy statement for the second term. And it certainly was not an ex post facto argument for war in Iraq. It has been the mission of the United States of America ever since it opened its eyes on September 12th. It has been the mission of this country whenever it has seen dark forces gathering.

As much as I can trust a person who isn't myself or a member of my family, I trust that George Bush gets that. It's why I voted for him, and it is why most of the country did the same.

Does The Independent get it? Does France, Germany? Of all who ought to, does Kofi Annan get it?

They're getting there.


Was Bush right after all?
As Syria pulls out of Lebanon, and the winds of change blow through the Middle East, this is the difficult question that opponents of the Iraq war are having to face
By Rupert Cornwell in Washington
08 March 2005
news.independent.co.uk

Trucks carrying Syrian soldiers began to file out of Beirut yesterday. As they departed, Syria's President, Bashar Assad, under intense pressure from the US, promised to withdraw all 14,000 troops to eastern areas of Lebanon by the end of this month. The White House almost immediately dismissed the plan as failing to set a deadline for total withdrawal from the country.

So this was too little, too slow for Washington. But however circumscribed, the first phase of Syria's withdrawal from Lebanon is another sign of change across the Middle East. The precise extent and implications of the pull-out (or to be more accurate pull-back) are still unclear, and the same goes for the host of other developments, from Palestine to Iraq, from Egypt to Saudi Arabia. Some may be sincere and lasting, others contrived and short-lived, but all suggest the political straitjacket that has long imprisoned the Arab world is loosening, if not yet coming apart at the seams.

It is barely six weeks since the US President delivered his second inaugural address, a paean to liberty and democracy that espoused the goal of "ending tyranny in our world". Reactions around the world ranged from alarm to amused scorn, from fears of a new round of "regime changes" imposed by an all-powerful American military, to suspicions in the salons of Europe that this time Mr Bush, never celebrated for his grasp of world affairs, had finally lost it. No one imagined that events would so soon cause the President's opponents around the world to question whether he had got it right.

That debate is now happening, in America and beyond, as the first waves of reform lap at the Arab world. Post-Saddam Iraq has held its first proper election. In their own elections, Palestinians have overwhelmingly chosen a moderate leader. Hosni Mubarak, who for 24 years has permitted no challenge to his rule in Egypt, has announced a multi-candidate presidential election this year. Even Saudi Arabia is not immune, having just held its first municipal elections. Next time around, Saudi spokesmen promise, women too will be permitted to vote.

Most remarkably of all, perhaps, popular demonstrations in Beirut last week brought the downfall of one pro-Syrian government and - with the help of fierce pressure from Washington and the EU - the agreement by Syria to start withdrawing its troops in Lebanon.

How much Mr Bush is responsible for these development is debatable. The peaceful uprising in Lebanon was provoked by outrage at the assassination of the former prime minister Rafik Hariri, in which a Syrian hand is suspected, although not proven. Then the man who insisted on elections in Iraq when the US wanted to postpone or dilute them was Ayatollah Ali al- Sistani, leader of Iraq's majority Shia community. And the death from old age of Yasser Arafat, not machinations in Washington, led to the election that might break the Israeli-Palestinian deadlock.

Indubitably, however, even his most grudging domestic opponents and his harshest critics in the region admit that Mr Bush is also in part responsible. The 2003 invasion of Iraq may have been justified by a giant fraud, but that, and above all the January election to which it led, transfixing the Arab world, has proved a catalyst.

The mood at the White House, on Capitol Hill and in the punditocracy has been transformed. The weapons of mass destruction fiasco is forgotten, the deaths of US troops have slipped from the front pages. Even Senator Edward Kennedy, bitter Democratic critic of the invasion, admits that Mr Bush deserves credit "for what seemed to be a tentative awakening of democracy in the region".

The neoconservatives are predictably triumphalist. "What changed the climate in the Middle East was not just the US invasion and show of arms," exults the commentator Charles Krauthammer in Time magazine. "It was US determination and staying power, and the refusal of its people last November to turn out a president who rejected an 'exit strategy'."

Beyond argument, old certainties in the region are less certain; old equations of power are having to be recalculated. It is, of course, only a start, and things could go dreadfully wrong. Today the pro-Syrian Hizbollah party, regarded as a terrorist group, by Washington, holds a massive demonstration. Some see the spectre of Lebanon's 1975-1990 civil war and this time, they predict Syria could be thrown into bloody chaos.

Success in Iraq, too, is anything but assured and there is the wild card of Iran, locked in dispute with the European Union and the United States over its suspected nuclear ambitions, and with huge mischief-making potential in both Iraq and Lebanon.

The moves by Saudi Arabia and Egypt may yet be tactical, a controlled release of steam before the lid is screwed down once more. There is no guarantee that the Islamic Brotherhood, the most powerful opposition party, will be allowed to take part in the Egyptian vote.

Then there is the law of unintended consequences. The maddening thing about democracy, from the viewpoints of Mr Bush and Mr Mubarak alike, is that you cannot be sure of what you will get. A Shia-dominated government will emerge in Iraq, but no one knows whether it will be secular or theocratic. What will Washington do if Islamic movements threaten repressive but reliable autocrats such as Mr Mubarak? And for all Mr Bush's argument that the survival of liberty in the US depends on liberty abroad, there is no guarantee that democracy will end terrorism.

Some US officials compare the situation in the Arab world with that of eastern Europe in 1989, when the people's discontent with their rulers reached boiling point, and repressive regimes simply lacked the will to repress any longer.

The same happened with the Soviet Union in 1991. But that year offers two other, more depressing parallels. One was the futile insurrection by Iraqi Kurds and Shias against Saddam Hussein. Then in Algeria, the US and the West sat silent as the military regime, faced with the victory of the Islamist FIS movement in elections, simply cancelled them. The result was a brutal civil war in which more than 100,000 died.

When push has come to shove in the Middle East before, the US has invariably sided with the devil it knows, true to the philosophy: "He may be a sonofabitch, but at least he's our sonofabitch." Will this President Bush be as good as his soaring words on that icy morning in January? Lebanon may provide the first test.



To: LindyBill who wrote (103599)3/8/2005 7:09:39 AM
From: John Carragher  Respond to of 793777
 
'We’ve always wondered why the IRA and its splinter groups have avoided mention in our War Against Terror'

I expect it is because there is a war of terror on going over there between catholics and protestants.

When i asked a sympathizer of ira why the ira do not put down arms.. i get the reply that they cannot , once unarmed they will be killed one by one. Since , i do not know the living environment in northern Ireland i am at a loss to understand the problem other than lack of trust and mostly they hate each other.

Another response i get is what we read is from English papers and America papers. ouch.. i cannot believe what i read in nyt , wp, etc how can i argue that we do not hear the other side of the story except from the English press.

I believe the ira are terrorist, taught the middle east in bomb making and in south america appear to have sold themselves to support of terror. It also appears they still do have some support as mentioned in the article from American sources.

bush, hopefully will keep Gerry Adams out of the white house and at some time more people in northern ireland will protest the ira.

Maybe northern ireland people will take to the streets like other parts of world are doing to bring peace and freedom from terror.