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To: Elroy who wrote (222792)	3/8/2005 5:02:55 AM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1573005

There comes a point where the failure of the sovereign nation's government to rule in the best interests of its people outweighs the principle of national sovereignity. At least in my mind.... See this is the problem with your POV. In the US, even the bad guys are subject to due process. Due process becomes hard to find during an invasion Is your point here that the US is incapable of determining that a sovereign nation's government is consistantly worsening the lives of its citizens? No, I am saying that due process goes out the window. People have few rights during a war. Rummie has bent over backwards in his efforts to not follow the Geneva Conventions. Laws become an inconvenience for invading armies. It seems fairly OBVIOUS that the leadership of North Korea and leadership of Iraq have been bad for those country's civilian populations for at least 20 years. What due process do you want to decide to remove them? Look, Elroy, you have this misguided perception that we are saints and with one wave of our magic wands all will be good. Its not true. I don't get your point. If the government of Zimbabwe starves 10% of its population to death every year for 10 years, and the governmnet of Zimbabwe refuses outside pressure to reform for ten years, what due process do you want before outside countries forcibly remove that government? Look.......we have a lot to do in this country. informationclearinghouse.info We need to mind our own business and get our own house in order. ted

To: Elroy who wrote (222792)	3/8/2005 7:38:57 AM
From: Taro	Respond to of 1573005

It seems fairly OBVIOUS that the leadership of North Korea and leadership of Iraq have been bad for those country's civilian populations for at least 20 years. What due process do you want to decide to remove them? At least they don't have an obesity problem in North Korea like in the US. Taro

To: Elroy who wrote (222792)	3/8/2005 4:55:38 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 1573005

If we could remove the government and put something much better in its place, and the removal would cause less damage then the government remaining in power than I don't think removing these extreme governments is wrong. I'd love to get rid of Kim Jong Il's government and have democracy and capitalism improve the lot of the North Koreans, but we would have to kill an awful lot of North Koreans to implement this idea and the North Koreans would be able to kill many people in the south at the same time. Tim