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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/8/2005 4:33:14 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 35834
 
Here's the link to the Little Green Footballs blog entry your
blogger has heartburn over.

littlegreenfootballs.com

What is factually wrong, distorted or misleading about it?

Please be specific.

And BTW, the harsh rhetoric used by your blogger without
factual substantiation is a typical tactic of libs these days.



To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/8/2005 7:16:32 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
The Sgrena Vehicle Exposed

Captain's Quarters

Giuliana Sgrena described the American "assassination" attempt on her life as a "rain of bullets" that still somehow managed to leave her alive. We have asked to see the car that the Italians used to transport her and the deceased negotiator, Nicola Calipari, to the Baghdad airport to see whether the damage matches her description of the incident. Now La Repubblica has a slideshow of photographs that pretty much demolished the notion that the American soldiers at the checkpoint fired indiscriminately at Sgrena's vehicle:

captainsquartersblog.com

This clearly shows that the vehicle did not come under heavy fire but probably got shot by handheld weapon trying to disable the vehicle. This picture is last in the slideshow; others show bullet holes on the fringe of the front windshield, which otherwise remains intact.

Whatever else happened, this vehicle did not come under heavy-weapons fire or indiscriminate automatic-arms fire. The fact that it's still got all of its fenders and its hood intact tells us that. One tire got shot out and one front-windshield bullet, possibly two, are all that La Repubblica can point out.

Sgrena lied
.


UPDATE: More at Michelle Malkin and LGF. The other photos are in my extended entry.

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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/8/2005 7:22:42 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
From a Dutch blog

About Giuliana Sgrena

Mr. Harald Doornbos is a veteran war reporter. He is no archetypical hawk nor a staunch supporter of the United States. In fact, he used to be a reporter for the communist newspaper 'De Waarheid' (The Truth, or Pravda, if you like) before it went bust. (This doesn't necessarily mean he was ever a communist, by the way. De Waarheid used to be a huge employer.)

However, this doesn't make him overly sympathetic towards Giuliana Sgrena, the Italian journalist who was held hostage by Iraqi insurgents. Some snippets from this article which was published today in a Dutch Christian broadsheet.

'Be careful not to get kidnapped,' I told the female Italian journalist sitting next to me in the small plane that was headed for Baghdad.


'Oh no,' she said. 'That won't happen. We are siding with the oppressed Iraqi people. No Iraqi would kidnap us.'

It doesn't sound very nice to be critical of a fellow reporter. But Sgrena's attitude is a disgrace for journalism. Or didn't she tell me back in the plane that, 'common journalists such as yourself' simply do not support the Iraqi people? 'The Americans are the biggest enemies of mankind,' the three women behind me had told me, for Sgrena travelled to Iraq with two Italian colleagues who hated the Americans as well.

(Doornbos goes on to explain how the women demeaned him for travelling as an embedded reporter with the US military, for security reasons. They didn't want to hear about any safety concerns.)

'You don't understand the situation. We are anti-imperialists, anti-capitalists, communists,' they said. The Iraqis only kidnap American sympathizers, the enemies of the Americans have nothing to fear.

(Doornbos tells them they're out of their mind.)

But they knew better. When we arrived at Baghdad Airport, I was waiting for a jeep from the American army to come pick me up. I saw one of the Italian women walking around crying. An Iraqi had stolen her computer and television equipment. They were standing outside shivering, waiting for a cab to take them to Baghdad.

With her bias Sgrena did not only jeopardize herself, but due to her behavior a security officer is now dead, and the Italian government (prime minister Berlusconi included) has had to spend millions of euros to save her life. It is to be hoped that Sgrena will decide to have a career change. Propagandist or MP perhaps. But she should give up journalism immediately.


zachtei.nl



To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/8/2005 7:33:32 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
"RAIN OF FIRE?"

By Michelle Malkin
March 08, 2005 04:15 PM

Photos of Giuliana Sgrena's car are available at repubblica.it. Click on "IMMAGINI l'auto colpita dai soldati Usa" beneath top story to view more pics.

repubblica.it

I can't see a single bullet hole. [Ed. note: besides the one in the circle that Rusty Shackleford points out, that is.]


LGF posted about this earlier today.
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Update: Reader Steve Gregg writes:

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Ms. Sgrena's car appears remarkably intact having driven through, in her words, a rain of fire, and being fired upon by a tank, as she seems to claim. In Picture 3 in the Repubblica link I see what may be two bullet holes near the bottom of the front windshield, driver's side. The headlights and grill, where the troops were aiming, look undamaged.
It appears our guys did not place many shots in this vehicle and those they
did went high.
Of course, shooting high in combat is an old army problem.
Most green troops tend to fire over the heads of the enemy. That's why the
old sergeants of a century ago told their troops to aim low and squeeze
slowly, so as not to jerk their rifle up with an excited trigger pull.
Also, if a car is rapidly advancing on you, if you fire at where the
radiator was a second ago, the windshield of that car will pull forward into
that aimpoint by the time you pulled the trigger. It looks like the troops
misjudged their lead when aiming at the speeding car. You can't blame them.

What I also see in these pictures is good fire control by the troops.
If
you feel your life is in danger, the natural reaction is to keep firing
until you run out of ammo. Often, police in a gunfight will keep shooting
until they are dry-snapping their pistols. Undisciplined troops would have
filled this car full of holes, stopping only when their magazines were
empty. I see evidence of at most two shots in the car. That is remarkable
restraint for troops fearing a car bomb is about to snuff out their lives.

>>>

michellemalkin.com



To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/9/2005 10:47:49 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Dutch Reporter on Giuliana Sgrena

Little Green Footballs

Zacht Ei translates an article from a Dutch paper about Giuliana Sgrena, by a Dutch reporter who describes Sgrena and her companions as the very epitome of the modern clueless far left, simultaneously naïve and filled with hatred, childish and treacherous.

<<<

Mr. Harald Doornbos is a veteran war reporter. He is no archetypical hawk nor a staunch supporter of the United States. In fact, he used to be a reporter for the communist newspaper ‘De Waarheid’ (The Truth, or Pravda, if you like) before it went bust. (This doesn’t necessarily mean he was ever a communist, by the way. De Waarheid used to be a huge employer.)

However, this doesn’t make him overly sympathetic towards Giuliana Sgrena, the Italian journalist who was held hostage by Iraqi insurgents. Some snippets from this article which was published today in a Dutch Christian broadsheet.

(((

’Be careful not to get kidnapped,’ I told the female Italian journalist sitting next to me in the small plane that was headed for Baghdad. ‘Oh no,’ she said. ‘That won’t happen. We are siding with the oppressed Iraqi people. No Iraqi would kidnap us.’

It doesn’t sound very nice to be critical of a fellow reporter. But Sgrena’s attitude is a disgrace for journalism. Or didn’t she tell me back in the plane that ‘common journalists such as yourself’ simply do not support the Iraqi people? ‘The Americans are the biggest enemies of mankind,’ the three women behind me had told me, for Sgrena travelled to Iraq with two Italian colleagues who hated the Americans as well.
)))

(Doornbos goes on to explain how the women demeaned him for travelling as an embedded reporter with the US military, for security reasons. They didn’t want to hear about any safety concerns.)

(((

’You don’t understand the situation. We are anti-imperialists, anti-capitalists, communists,’ they said. The Iraqis only kidnap American sympathizers, the enemies of the Americans have nothing to fear.
)))

(Doornbos tells them they’re out of their mind.)

(((

But they knew better. When we arrived at Baghdad Airport, I was waiting for a jeep from the American army to come pick me up. I saw one of the Italian women walking around crying. An Iraqi had stolen her computer and television equipment. They were standing outside shivering, waiting for a cab to take them to Baghdad.

With her bias Sgrena did not only jeopardize herself, but due to her behavior a security officer is now dead, and the Italian government (prime minister Berlusconi included) has had to spend millions of euros to save her life. It is to be hoped that Sgrena will decide to have a career change. Propagandist or MP perhaps. But she should give up journalism immediately.
)))
>>>

littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/9/2005 11:22:28 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
From Instapundit.com (You know Glenn Reynolds from that slanderous blog entry of yours)

IT'S RAINING BULLETS -- SORT OF: Not very impressive.
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Meanwhile, reader Joseph Fulvio emails with further thoughts on the increasingly dubious Sgrena affair:

<<<

Europeans have long been conditioned to assume the worst about Americans. No surprise there. But it's interesting how quickly the American Left accepted, with little reservation, the word of a politically-blinkered writer who openly crusaded against this war (no bias there!). Yet, it refused to give benefit of doubt, much less a full hearing, to its fellow citizens, members of the most highly trained and disciplined military organization in the world. But don't question their patriotism - they support the troops.
>>>

Here's a column by Austin Bay that's more informed and thoughtful than most of what you'll read on this. And there's some more interesting background on Sgrena on his blog.

strategypage.com
austinbay.net

UPDATE: More photos of the car here. If U.S. troops were firing as much as Sgrena claims, they should all be sent back to the shooting range to requalify.
mypetjawa.mu.nu

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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/9/2005 11:38:23 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Danger on Route Irish

Strategy Page
by Austin Bay
March 8, 2005

My Army staff section dubbed the dangerous high-speed dash through Baghdad "Route Irish Racing." Route Irish is the military code name for the 8 kilometers of highway linking Baghdad International Airport (BIAP) with the Green Zone.

When heavily armed and armored men cram into Ford SUVs, jam the pedal to the floor and weave through freeway traffic at 70 miles an hour, film fans may think Road Warrior or the Keystone Kops. However, the Road Warrior's auto macho and the Kops' slapstick car chases are misleading.

War in a sprawling, complex megacity isn't a movie that ends in two hours -- it's a relentless experience where training, courage and discipline are constantly challenged by fear and adrenaline.

In Baghdad, commuting is a combat operation, for both soldiers and civilians. Blame Saddam's henchmen and Al Qaeda fascists. These beasts have made the suicide car bomb their primary murder weapon.

Baghdad, like Houston and Los Angeles, is built for wheels. Narrow side streets feed boulevards, which feed expressways. Traffic moves day and night. This road net with a million vehicles is ideal terrain for an auto kamikaze. Roll up to a street corner and detonate -- instant atrocity, instant headlines, with media coverage being the murderer's strategic goal.

Stopping all traffic might halt car bombs -- just like locking everyone in their house might halt all street crime -- but terror's goal is political, economic and emotional paralysis. On Jan. 30, the Iraqi people demonstrated that they aren't paralyzed. These courageous people move, even under difficult and dangerous circumstances.

This brings us to roadblocks. Roadblocks put a crimp in the car bomber's plans. Roadblocks stop vehicles and people, particularly suspicious vehicles and suspicious people
. In a war zone featuring auto kamikazes, roadblocks aren't user-friendly places -- and any honest adult will admit they aren't supposed to be. Iraqis complain about American roadblockss -- they're hassles. Iraqis complain more about terrorist bombs -- 2,000 Iraqis demonstrated against terror in Hilla last week to make that point.

At Route Irish's Green Zone exit, traffic slows to a crawl as it weaves through concrete barriers. Once stopped, young Americans and young Iraqi National Guardsmen -- their automatic rifles ready -- quiz drivers and scowl. It's understandable -- in late June, an Iraqi Governing Council official was assassinated at the barrier. A bomb-laden car slammed the councilman's vehicle and detonated.

Occasionally, temporary roadblocks halt Route Irish traffic. I recall a long wait in July as Iraqi police closed a lane and redirected non-military vehicles. Yes, I felt like a target -- it's a war zone, stay alert
.

Route Irish's approach to BIAP is clearly marked with signs. Heavy trucks await inspection by troops. Concrete barriers divide the lanes.

The man driving the car carrying communist writer and newly released terrorist hostage Guiliana Sgrena didn't slow down as he approached a roadblock on the way to the airport. Perhaps he was afraid and fear led to speed, or perhaps he was laughing. Sgrena wrote that her car "kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad ..."

Roadblocks have rules. Coalition and Iraqi troops operate roadblocks with Rules of Engagement (ROE). The ROE can change, based on current intelligence and command judgment.

But one rule never changes at a roadblock: Even escorted military convoys slow down as they approach a roadblock. As for a single civilian auto approaching at high speed? If a driver doesn't hit the brakes, the troops will shoot
.

U.S. soldiers fired on Sgrena's speeding car as it approached their roadblock. The fire killed Italian security agent Nicola Calipari. His death is a tragic mistake. President Bush says we'll investigate the incident. I suspect Italian officers serving with multinational forces will help conduct that investigation. We need the facts.

But we also need a fact-based perspective
. Though the Iraqi election and the democratic surge in Lebanon demonstrate that this most intricate war we're fighting has the potential for huge payoffs in hope, justice and peace, on Baghdad's streets a Fiat might still be a kamikaze. Or is it a family sedan? As the car rushes forward the soldier -- whose life is on the line -- has a split-second to decide.


To find out more about Austin Bay and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.

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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/9/2005 11:50:06 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
HOW FAST WAS GIULIANA SGRENA'S CAR GOING?

By Michelle Malkin
March 09, 2005 08:12 AM

ABC News:

<<<

A senior U.S. military official tells ABC News he believes the investigation into the fatal shooting of an Italian intelligence officer by U.S. troops in Iraq will ultimately prove the officer's car was traveling in excess of 100 mph....

abcnews.go.com
>>>

Sgrena's driver has said the car was going only 25-30 miles per hour.

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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/9/2005 11:52:05 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
SGRENA: "I HAVE NOT SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO KILL ME."

By Michelle Malkin
March 09, 2005 08:13 AM

This is what Giuilana Sgrena told Corriere della Sera, as best as I can figure:

<<<

I have not said that the Americans wanted to kill me, I have only said that the mechanics of this fact is the mechanics of an ambush....

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>>>

I doubt I could understand what her point is even if I could read Italian.


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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/9/2005 11:58:39 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
THE RANSOM OF THE RED REPORTER

By Michelle Malkin
March 09, 2005 08:30 AM

My new column focuses on an angle of the Sgrena case that I think has gotten short shrift in the MSM: Italy's willingness to negotiate with throat-slitting terrorists.

As you may recall, I lambasted the Philippines for going wobbly and paying off the barbarians last year to free truck driver Angelo de la Cruz.

Now, the country that produced the heroic Fabrizio Quattrochi--remember "I'll show you how an Italian dies"--has gone all Quisling on us with the second apparent ransom payoff to terrorists. As I ask in the column:

<<<

Where is the uproar over this Islamist insurgency subsidy plan?
>>>

Update: My friends at the Wall Street Journal are on the very same wavelength.


***
Previous:

The Italian hostage job
CNN: Lost in translation?
CNN does it again
Italy's blood money
"Rain of fire?"
How fast was Giuliana Sgrena's car going?
Sgrena: "I have not said that they wanted to kill me."

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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/9/2005 12:03:50 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
The ransom of the red reporter

By Michelle Malkin

International furor over Giuliana Sgrena, an Italian communist writer who claims American troops in Iraq may have deliberately shot at her car after being released by kidnappers, misses the bigger scandal.

The scandal is not that an anti-war propagandist has accused the U.S. of targeting journalists. That's par for the course. (Yes, hello again, Eason Jordan.)

The scandal is not that mainstream media sympathizers are blaming our military and dredging up every last shooting accident along the treacherous routes to Baghdad Airport. Again, no surprise here.

The scandal is that Italy—our reputed ally in the global War on Terror — negotiated with Sgrena's Islamist kidnappers and may have forked over a massive ransom to cutthroats for Sgrena's release.

Where is the uproar over this Islamist insurgency subsidy plan?


Iraqi politician Younadem Kana told Belgian state TV that he had "non-official" information that Italy paid the terrorists $1 million in tribute. The Washington Times, citing the Italian newspaper La Stampa, pinned the ransom figure at $6 million. Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera reported that the Italian Government forked over between $10 million $13.4 million to free Sgrena.

Whatever the final tally, it's a whopping bounty that will undoubtedly come in handy for cash-hungry killers in need of spiffy new rocket-propelled grenade launchers, AK-47s, mortars, landmines, components for vehicle-borne improvised explosive devices, and recruitment fees. (To put this windfall in perspective, bear in mind that the 9/11 plot was a half-million dollar drop in the bucket for Osama bin Laden.)


Or maybe Italian advocates of this terrorist get-rich-quick scheme think the thugs will spend their money on Prada handbags and Versace couture.

Both the Italian government and members of the Iraq Islamic Army who abducted Sgrena vehemently deny that money was exchanged. Yet, even as his government officially rebuffed reports of a ransom arrangement in the Sgrena affair, Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi was quoted by the newspaper Il Messaggero conceding: "We have to rethink our strategy in dealing with kidnappings."

A little late for a do-over, don't you think?

According to the New York Post, Lucia Annunziata, former president of Italian state television RAI, said government sources estimate Italy has paid kidnappers nearly $15 million for hostages in the past year alone. Indeed, last September, Gustavo Selva, chairman of parliament's foreign affairs committee, confirmed that two Italian aid workers — who praised their kidnappers as "resisters"— were freed after the government paid at least $1 million in cash to their Iraqi captors.

The admission came after heated denials by top government officials. Selva, auditioning Italy for a spot in the Axis of Weasels pantheon, mused at the time: "In principle, we shouldn't give in to blackmail but this time we had to, although it's a dangerous path to take because, obviously, it could encourage others to take hostages, either for political reasons or for criminal reasons."

How do you say "No duh" in Italian?


To be fair to Italy, which continues to maintain a 3,000-troop presence in Iraq despite enormous anti-war pressure, its reported payoffs to terrorists are dwarfed by the mollycoddlers in Manila and Malaysia, who have fed Abu Sayyaf's head-chopping kidnappers tens of millions in tribute over the past several years— money that is now reportedly being channeled to worldwide al Qaeda operations.

Still, you would expect a country that once embraced the defiant spirit of Fabrizio Quattrochi —the murdered Italian security guard taken hostage in Iraq last year who stoically told his assassins, "I'm going to show you how an Italian dies" — to resist the Quisling impulse with every fiber of its collective being.

The consequences of capitulation are bloody obvious. When you allow your people to be used as terrorist collection plates, the thugs will keep coming back for more. Might as well hang a sign around the neck of every Italian citizen left in Iraq:

Buon appetito.


jewishworldreview.com



To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/9/2005 4:52:52 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Berlusconi: Agent Had US Permission

Little Green Footballs

Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi told Italy’s Senate today that Italian agent Nicola Calipari had US military authorization for the rescue of Giuliana Sgrena.

<<<

ROME - The Italian agent killed by American forces in Iraq had U.S. military authorization for his operation to win the release of a hostage, Premier Silvio Berlusconi said Wednesday.
>>>

Berlusconi pointedly avoided the subject of whether a ransom was paid to the kidnappers, however.

<<<

His 10-minute address made no mention of ransom to win the release of the journalist. Some Italian officials have suggested ransom was paid, but there has been no official confirmation.
>>>

He played down the notion of a “rift” between Italy and the United States:

<<<

Friendly fire is “painful” to accept, Berlusconi said. But he reassured lawmakers that the United States is committed to determining the truth about the shooting.

“I’m sure that in a very short time every aspect of this will be clarified,” he said.
>>>

Including, I hope, the reported multi-million dollar payment to the mujahideen.

littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/10/2005 11:27:07 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 35834
 
Note from a Soldier's Father

Little Green Footballs

LGF reader jlucas emailed the following note, pointing out that American soldiers have been searching Iraq trying to find and rescue—not kill—Giuliana Sgrena since she was kidnapped in early February.

<<<

My son, who is home from Baghdad on for two weeks R&R, was mad as hell about the reports that Sgrena claimed US troops intentionally tried to kill her. He told me that his platoon (and, presumably hundreds or thousands of other US troops) spent considerable time searching for her, trying to find and release her. Each time he and his troops stop a car or enter a building they put their lives at risk. They did this — putting themselves at risk — following orders to try to find and rescue her, not to kill her. If US troops were trying to kill her instead of rescue her, it hardly could have been kept a secret, since all hundreds or thousands of troops searching would have to have received similar orders. At the risk of stating the obvious, it would have been pointless to give orders to one roadblock team to shoot her if everyone else had orders to find and rescue her. What nonsense!

The Americans who lend aid and comfort to the people floating these conspiracy theories should not be tolerated when they next claim to “support the troops.”
>>>

littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/10/2005 11:37:02 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
ANOTHER SGRENA FABRICATION

By Michelle Malkin
March 09, 2005 06:37 PM

Sgrena's boyfriend Pier Scolari said Sgrena told him "she collected handfuls of bullets on the seats" of the car.

This doesn't pass the smell test. Any bullet shot into the car would have either passed through the vehicle, been fragmented beyond recognition, or become imbedded into part of the car.

If she's talking about spent casings, those would have ended up at the feet of the soldiers doing the shooting. (I assume she is not saying that the soldiers were inside the car with her.)

(Thanks to Tom Ault and other readers.)

Update: Reader Peter W. Davis writes:

<<<

Actually we know that Sgrena is lying simply because a freshly-stopped bullet is very hot.The typical military 5.56 Nato round hits with about 1000 foot pounds of kinetic energy, much of this energy turns to heat at impact. This in addition to the heat from the burning powder charge, the friction from the barrel and friction from the air.

Anyone trying to pick up a spent bullet in the few seconds they would have before the soldiers at the checkpoint had them out of the car would have second degree burns at the least, perhaps some third degree.
>>>

Kim Du Toit writes:

<<<

Handfuls"?

"ON the seats"?

It smells, all right -- and not nicely, either. Bullets shot into a car are
to be found inside the innards of the car, not rolling around on the seats.
And yes, they'd be mutilated beyond belief after passing through the car
body. No Kennedy "magic bullets" here...

If she can produce said bullets, I'll eat my words. If she can even come up
with a contemporaneous PHOTO of the handfuls of bullets... I'll buy you
lunch, at the restaurant of your choice, in the country of your choice.

And the spent casings, as you said, would be outside the car.

Stinks to high heaven.
>>>

Roger from Denver writes:

<<<

To paraphrase George C Scott in Dr. Strangelove, I'm beginning to smell a big fat commie rat. 300-400 rounds? From a tank? (meaning a minimum of 7.62 mm (.30 cal.)). And the car still has all its windows and no visible bullet holes (at least on those photos) in the body? Now our red reporter is talking about picking up handfulls (or is it handsfull?) of bullets from the seat. What is she talking about? The bullets (coming in at 2400 feet per second) broke through the window, pierced the steel body of the car (apparently and sadly pierced the skull of the agent) and they're stopped cold by the fabric of the seat covers? Could she be more transparently delusional? Again to paraphrase Mr. Scott--Gee, I wish we had some of those bullet stopping seat covers for our boys. Of course, wouldn't it be better to put the bulletstopping stuff on the outside of the car rather than underneath their lying Italian butts? Just a thought....
>>>

michellemalkin.com

abc.net.au



To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/10/2005 11:43:32 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
THIS IS CNN.

By Michelle Malkin (All relevant links below)
March 10, 2005 05:18 AM

There they go again:

<<<

In an article published Sunday in her communist newspaper, Il Manifesto, Sgrena wrote, "Our car was driving slowly," and "the Americans fired without motive.
>>>

Here is Sgrena's Il Manifesto article, as translated by CNN. As I noted before, her Il Manifesto article doesn't say what CNN says she said. In fact, she seems to say the opposite: "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and almost losing control to avoid them."

CNN quietly removed the quotes from an earlier article about 15 minutes after I published this post.

This is now the third time CNN has used the fake quotes:

<<<

- first time
- second time
- third time
>>>

Only the first article has been corrected. Click here to see CNN's revised version of the first article.
cnn.com

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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/10/2005 11:56:00 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
The Italian Job

New Sisyphus
By NewSisyphus

You would think that the number of Americans buried in Europe and Africa killed by Italian Fascists would lead the average Italian to approach the accidental death of an Italian patriot by American forces with some caution. But the time has long since passed since we Americans expect tact, grace or thoughtfulness from Europeans, even those who are our nominal allies.

We had thought to refrain from commenting on the Abu-Ghraib-du-jour that is the Guiliana Sgrena story. When we saw the item come across the wire our instincts told us that it would be the lead story in the European press in about 3 nano-seconds, and, further, that it would be the focus of that press for days. We guess we can take some cold comfort in knowing our instincts are still working properly.

But the recent absurd heights to which the story has risen has forced our hand. Really, we're not sure which is funnier: that an Italian Communist would think that she is significant enough to warrant our attention, let alone an assassination order, or the spectacle of a full state funeral for a fallen state security officer.

We mean no disrespect to the dead, but, somehow, we get the feeling the poor man's funeral would have been a bit less grand had he merely been beheaded by the usual suspects.

The incident shows the depths of the pathology that is Western anti-Americanism and offers, yet again, another cautionary and exemplary tale for Americans: until and unless we begin to decline to act as the world's superpower, the world's economic engine, the world's policeman, the world's lender of last resort in all instances, the Western pathology will grow. Like the over-spoiled adolescents of Orange County we grew up with, the nations of Europe and the wider West will continue with infantile temper tantrums and faux-rebellious posing, in one long hissy fit against "Daddy," putting at risk all that is of value in our Western Civilization.

Many have commented that yesterday's editorial in the Wall St. Journal put the case against Italy in this affair in too harsh a light. After all, Italy's government has been a stalwart ally at a time when we needed them.

We profoundly disagree. By paying jihadis millions of euros in ransom--twice--and then using the obviously accidental death of one of their security personnel as a whip to beat the Italian mob into an anti-American frenzy, the Italians have done nothing less than aid and abet terrorism. As the WSJ so aptly put it:

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Arguably far more reckless was Italy's decision to pay ransom--reportedly of $6 million or more--to secure her release. Italy is also believed to have paid ransom for the release of two aid workers taken captive last year. The Italians know the U.S. opposes the policy, which may be why Ms. Sgrena's transfer to the airport was not sufficiently coordinated with U.S. forces.
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Not only does paying ransom encourage more kidnapping--of Italians especially--it also puts money in the hands of the enemy in a country where $40 buys an automatic rifle and $200 an attack on U.S. forces. The shooting of a speeding car at a military checkpoint in a war zone is an unintentional tragedy, but the paying of ransom amounts to a policy of deliberately aiding terrorists.

We had thought when the President made the fateful decision to go to the U.N. to make the case for war against Iraq that he was making a profound mistake. The grounds for an American declaration of war, if only on broken cease fire terms, were rock-solid. Since then, however, we have become more convinced that the need to introduce real world responsibility into the body politic of the European Union and Canada was even more important for our long-term security, however painful such an exercise may be in the short term.

The bottom line here is that this episode shows both the limits and uses of multi-lateral war in the Age of Terrorism. On the one hand, we had the support of a European government which was then forced by events to patiently explain to its dangerously out-of-touch populace the stakes and why war was necessary. On the other, even after months of pointless slaughter, the open declaration of war against democracy loudly announced by the jihadis, the mass murders, the beheadings, the whipping of women who dare to speak, the execution of homosexuals because of who they are, the suicide bombings using the instruments of mercy, most Europeans still fear and loathe G.I. Joe more than Al-Zaqarwi.

We have no choice but to carry on fighting the good fight and hoping Europe and Canada will wake from its slumber.

At the same time, though, it's well past time for us to remove the safeguards that allow them to sleep in safety. Only until they live in our world will they understand it.

Let the boys from Turin defend South Korea. Let the girls from Madrid patrol Kosovo. Let the lads from St. John's patrol the Indonesian Straits. A gradual withdrawal from our over-powerful role will be painful, on all sides. But until and unless the man on the street in Europe and Canada feels the weight of responsibility, we will continue to witness these circuses.


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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/11/2005 11:06:58 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Italian Story Continues To Fall Apart

Captain's Quarters

The AP reports that the Italian story of Giuliana Sgrena's release and later wounding at an American checkpoint, which also resulted in the death of intelligence agent Nicola Calipari, continues to fall apart. Two Italian newspapers now say that the general in charge of the Sgrena operation did not inform the US that Calipari's mission was to free Sgrena, and one of them reports that General Mario Maroli didn't even know it himself:

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U.S. forces in Iraq were only partially informed about last week's Italian intelligence mission to release a hostage, which ended with a shooting on the road to Baghdad airport and the death of secret service agent Nicola Calipari, Italian newspapers said Friday. ...

Both newspapers cited a report by Gen. Mario Marioli, an Italian who is the coalition forces' second-in-command. The report has been given to Rome prosecutors investigating the killing.

According to the newspapers, Marioli informed U.S. officials that Calipari and the other Italian officer were there, but not that the mission was aimed at releasing Sgrena.

The papers had conflicting versions over how much Marioli knew: Corriere said he knew the Calipari was working to have the hostage released, La Repubblica said he didn't.
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Either way, the Italians clearly did not want the US to know that they had ongoing negotiations aimed at releasing Sgrena. Why? Perhaps the reports of a multi-million dollar ransom answers that question rather effectively. The US clearly would have objected to the negotiations, especially since putting that much money in the hands of Islamofascist terrorists would likely get more of our soldiers killed, as well as the Iraqis. (Could the rash of bombings this week have any connection to a sudden influx of cash to the terrorist network? Maybe, maybe not.) If the US went public with its complaint, the deal would have fallen apart and the Italians humiliated, and it looks like they decided to keep us in the dark instead.

Sgrena also changed her story, subtly but significantly today:


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In a statement released after the shooting, the U.S. Army's 3rd Infantry Division, which controls Baghdad, said the vehicle was speeding and refused to stop. The statement also said a U.S. patrol tried to warn a driver with hand and arm signals, by flashing white lights and firing shots in front of the car into the engine block.

In interviews published Friday, Sgrena said that no light was flashed at the vehicle and that the shots were not fired in front of the car.

"It's not true that they shot into the engine," she told Corriere della Sera, adding that the shooting came "from the right and from behind."
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That qualification changes the entire tenor of the story. Either one would have to believe that the checkpoint soldiers stopped the car and then shot it out -- from behind! -- or that the car never stopped at the checkpoint and traveled so fast that the soldiers could only catch up to it as it passed through. Think about the options for a moment. If a checkpoint successfully stops a suspicious vehicle, why would soldiers walk around behind it to open fire? They'd risk hitting their unit at the front of the car. Tactically, little gain would come from getting behind a potential VBIED in open space when one could get at least some partial protection from a potential explosion by the checkpoint barricades.

This story gets fishier and fishier on every retelling. First we have a "rain of bullets" and Sgrena scooping them up by the handful off the seats, and then we see a car with two bullet holes in it, one of which went through the right front tire. Next the Italians tell us that the US had full operational knowledge of the mission when it turns out their own military leadership was possibly kept in the dark. Now Sgrena tells us that the Americans fired from behind the vehicle when they stopped at the checkpoint, the only position where US soldiers would risk hitting their own troops
.

I call "shenanigans" on the Italians.


Posted by Captain Ed

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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/11/2005 11:33:25 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
THE EVER-EVOLVING SGRENA STORY

By Michelle Malkin
March 11, 2005 09:58 AM

Captain Ed breaks down the latest twists and turns in the Giuliana Sgrena saga.

She's looking more and more like, as the OC Chronicle put it, Italy's Tawana Brawley.


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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/11/2005 4:58:53 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Sgrena Sets Tinfoil-Hat Brigade Loose

Captain's Quarters

The allegations of deliberate assassination by Giuliana Sgrena against the US military have provoked the lunatics of the International Tinfoil Hat Brigade, which unfortunately has to come up with increasingly ridiculous explanations of how American soldiers filled a car with bullets but left only two or three holes in the car, killed one person but left two people alive, including the one who was the supposed target of the attempted assassination, and covered it up while letting the eyewitnesses go.

The latest to attempt this is Uruknet, a bizarre website that appears to dedicate itself to substantiating every loopy hypothesis about the US presence in Iraq. Normally, I just ignore these people, but the explanation at Uruknet simply provides too many laughs to pass up. Here's what Uruknet wants you to believe:


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By combining photo evidence and eyewitness accounts of the Baghdad airport shooting in which Giuliana Sgrena was wounded and Nicola Calipari killed, a compelling picture of a precision ambush emerges.

This analysis is sharpened by also considering the operational constraints upon any planned assassination of the troublesome Italian reporter. Such a killing would have to be palusibly [sic] deniable as a "mishap" and would have to avoid the slaughter of three intelligence agents in the vehicle.

That partly explains why Sgrena is still alive. A full-on salvo for a heavy calibre weapon would have left nobody alive in the vehicle. But, while slaying a political journalist is one thing -murdering three intelligence officers of a friendly nation in the process was never going to be an option.
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Er, doesn't the fact that Sgrena is still alive demonstrate that she couldn't have been the target? After all, who pulled her out of the car? But let's go on:


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But, the alternative was eminently feasible. It would be possible to selectively target Sgrena inside the vehicle, because the planners would know exactly where she would be seated. Assuming any half-competency in intelligence gathering, it was known the occupants would be an Iraqi driver, three intelligence agents and the target: Giuliana Sgrena.

Unfortunately for them, their seating arrangements inside the car were entirely predictable. Operational protocol dictated that one agent would be in the front with the driver, and Sgrena would be seated in the center of the rear -between the two other agents. In the hostile zone of Baghdad this seating was a virtual certainty.
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Except that by all accounts, there were only three people in the car. I know, I know ... details.


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An account of events by Peter Popham in the UK Independent shows American authorities at Baghdad airport knew that the Italian intelligence team would likely be returning late Friday with Sgrena. They surely knew the model and number of the car Calipari had hired at the airport just before 4pm on Friday.
>>>

Today we found out from the Italians that not only did they neglect to tell us anything about Sgrena's release, even the Italian military brass may not have known anything about it. It's a good thing that Uruknet hired all these experts to get their facts straight, isn't it?

Uruknet then talks about how the Americans would have used a tank to block the road, even though Sgrena has since recanted the part about the tank and said they encountered only an American patrol, to bring the car to a complete stop. Assassins then flaked the vehicle from the front, even though Sgrena now says the shots came from the rear, and took out the front tires as the car came to a stop. Then the real work began:


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If the driver is known to be Iraqi, then there is little downside to using the other aspect of full immobilization procedure: take out the driver as well.

That's three marksmen at a minimum. One in front to take care of the driver and possibly have sight of the target in the rear. Two more marksmen, positioned one either side of the car just slightly ahead. They could take care of the tyres and then switch to the interior for the target shot.

Was three marksmen enough? Even though the interior light was reported < washingtontimes.com > to have been on, target aquisition inside a vehicle must take at least three seconds plus one second to shift aim from the tyres. But after four seconds, the rear occupants may be already moving --so the head shot on Sgrena was likely intercepted by Calipari's cranium.

The marksman must have known at that moment there was a 50-50 chance he had taken out the team leader in the back seat. Who knows how he responded. But in any event Calipari had slumped against Sgrena and rendered further clear shots unlikely.
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Why? If the assassination attempt had "become a disaster", as Uruknet alleges, why leave anyone alive to dispute the American cover story? According to this scenario, everyone should have been killed. Uruknet alleges that the plan was to kill Sgrena but leave the Italian intelligence officer alive, so as not to make them mad. Excuse me? We kill a hostage that they just paid millions of dollars to free, and they'll just go away irritated if we assassinate her but leave Calipari alive to tell the tale.

Riiiiiiiiiiight. It's hard to imagine getting this much so spectacularly and lunatically wrong in such a short space, but you really have to read the entire thing to believe it. It almost sounds like a spoof of Air America or ... well, Sgrena herself.


Posted by Captain Ed

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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/11/2005 7:50:22 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Italy To Sgrena: You Can Shut Up Any Time Now

Captain's Quarters

After having listened to the reporter from the Communist newspaper Il Manifesto spout contradictory stories and hysterical conspiracy-mongering, even the Italian government has had enough of Giuliana Sgrena. In their first direct criticism of the former hostage, the justice minister publicly scolded Sgrena for her ever-changing accusations:

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Italy's justice minister urged former hostage Giuliana Sgrena on Friday to stop making "careless" accusations after being shot by US forces in Baghdad, saying she had already caused enough grief.

Sgrena has repeatedly suggesting US soldiers shot her on purpose and said on Friday she had little faith in a joint investigation by Italy and the United States into the "friendly fire" incident.

"She has created enormous problems for the government and also caused grief that perhaps was better avoided," Justice Minister Roberto Castelli told reporters in Bologna.

Italian intelligence agent Nicola Calipari was shot dead by U.S. forces as he shielded the newly freed hostage while taking her to the airport.

Sgrena herself said in interviews this week that had she been more cautious in Baghdad, she perhaps would not have been kidnapped in the first place.
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This marks the first time that Sgrena has suffered any criticism in the press covering the supposed assassination attempt. After earlier revelations of miscommunication by the Italians, deep skepticism about Sgrena's account after the pictures of her car were published, and the daily changes to her story, even the Italians have lost patience. Or perhaps their support had been overblown from the beginning:


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Many Italians have been irked by her descriptions of her kidnappers. She said they were not killers and that she may have over-dramatised her videotaped appeal from captivity for Italy to withdraw its 3,000 troops from Iraq
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She sobbed in the video and begged her family and the government to do something to save her life.

"Sgrena, I think, should perhaps be more careful. She has said a load of nonsense, speaks somewhat carelessly and makes careless comments," Castelli said. ...

"I feel like I'm being accused for being kidnapped and then saved," Sgrena said, speaking from a Rome hospital, where she is undergoing treatment for her injuries.
>>>

It doesn't exactly sound like a lovefest going on in Rome for Sgrena, a dynamic missed by the American and world media thus far. Perhaps the Italians knew better than to treat Sgrena with much credibility in the first place.
(via CQ reader ERNurse)

Posted by Captain Ed

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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/12/2005 12:03:26 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
The Never Ending Story Changes ... Again

Captain's Quarters

Giuliana Sgrena has changed her story yet again, proving if nothing else that the Il Manifesto reporter understands the news cycle. The Independent (UK) reports that Sgrena now says she doesn't think the Americans were trying to kill her:

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The Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena, who was wounded by American fire last Friday soon after being released by kidnappers in Baghdad, has said that she does not think that the Americans were trying to kill her. "I never said that they wanted to kill me," she said on a television talk show, "but the mechanics of what happened were those of an attack."

In an interview with The Independent, her partner, Pier Scolari, said: "None of us is so stupid as to think the Americans did it on purpose. But the dynamic was that of an ambush and we want a convincing explanation of what happened, because the first American explanation was totally false." ...

Ms Sgrena was widely quoted as saying that the Americans may have wanted to kill her "because they dislike the Italian policy of negotiating with the hostage-takers". But this week she rejected the idea.

After the shooting, she said: "A soldier opened the door on the right-hand side. When he saw us, I had the impression that he was upset. I seem to remember him saying, 'Oh shit!' And when more turned up in an armoured car, I had the sensation that they were unhappy about what had happened."
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One of the papers that "widely quoted" Sgrena was the Independent - in fact, the same Peter Popham, who also wrote this article and who probably regrets ever dealing with Sgrena and Scolari. Of course, Popham hardly stands alone as a mouthpiece for the string of nonsense coming from both Sgrena and Scolari regarding the shooting. Most of the American media have treated Sgrena as an objective and unbiased source despite her association with the Communist and strongly anti-American Il Manifesto and used the story to attempt a rehabilitation of the same kinds of slander that resulted in Eason Jordan's ouster at CNN. American media wrote companion pieces about trigger-happy American soldiers at checkpoints by the score while car bombs and roadside IEDs continued to kill almost as many Iraqis and US troops as the number of these backbiting and speculative "analyses".

Let's review how the Sgrena/Scolari story has evolved:

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Pier Scolari, Sgrena's partner who flew to Baghdad to collect her, put an even more sinister construction on the events, suggesting in a television interview that Sgrena was the victim of a deliberate ambush. 'Giuliana may have received information which led to the soldiers not wanting her to leave Iraq alive,' he claimed. [Guardian, March 6]

The shooting late Friday was witnessed by Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's office which was on the phone with one of the secret service agents, said Scolari. "Then the US military silenced the cellphones," he charged.

"Giuliana had information, and the US military did not want her to survive," he added. [Turkish Press, March 5]
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Now, of course, Scolari (Sgrena's "life partner") calls such speculation "stupid". I couldn't agree more. Too bad their stupidity seems to have revealed a sympathetic stupidty that runs through the entire global media, including in the US.

Posted by Captain Ed

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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/12/2005 2:48:55 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
The Jordenaires

Roger L Simon

I wrote on here some time ago that the statements allegedly made by Eason Jordan to the World Economic Forum were ultimately more dangerous than Dan Rather's more famous nonsense about the Bush National Guard documents. Jordan's was the kind of lie that is viral, prone to spread at the slightest provocation. Here's an example from today's Arab News, seemingly inspired by Jordan, that reads as if ripped from the pages of Der Sturmer:

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The killing of Italian intelligence officer Nicola Calipari by US troops in Iraq is another twist in the diabolical tactics employed by members of the occupation forces in manipulating the veracity of their adventurism in this immoral crusade.

In a series of truth-twisting means that began when their commander in chief assured the world of the presence of weapons of mass destruction prior to the invasion of Iraq, to the calculated shootings and murder of journalists who contradicted Pentagon press releases, the charade continues today and is fed daily to the folks "back home" that all is well.

arabnews.com
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The title of this screed is "They Shoot Reporters, Don't They?" (hardeeharhar.... or should I say Lord Haw Haw deeharhar...?) I don't know if its author believes his propagandistic gibberish or just thinks it's good for his cause, but the roots of this smear are in Jordan's calumny. Let's be glad he's lost his job. Meanwhile, more facts of the Sgrena case continue to emerge. Whether Calipiri's death resulted more from American or Italian mistakes has not finally been determined. But it has been patently obvious from the start this was "friendly fire" incident - to everyone but the Jordenaires.

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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/13/2005 3:39:57 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Hubris

Captain's Quarters

Jack Kelly writes today about the Giuliana Sgrena affair, taking the longer-view perspective of Sgrena's motivations and naiveté. He remains mostly neutral, if skeptical, on her assassination claims, but instead demolishes her credibility by pointing out her monumental hubris:

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Sgrena went to Iraq to report on the heroic resistance to the American imperialists. Dutch journalist Harald Doornbos rode in the airplane to Baghdad with her.
"Be careful not to get kidnapped," Doornbos warned Sgrena.

"You don't understand the situation," she responded, according to Doornbos' account last week in Nederlands Dagblad. (Excerpts were translated into English and posted on a Dutch writer's Web blog.) "The Iraqis only kidnap American sympathizers. The enemies of the Americans have nothing to fear."

Sgrena left her hotel the morning of Feb. 4 to interview refugees from Fallujah, the resistance stronghold captured by U.S. Marines in November. The interviews didn't go well.

"The refugees ... would not listen to me," she said. "I had in front of me the accurate confirmation of the analysis of what the Iraqi society had become as a result of the war and they would throw their truth in my face."
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Perhaps everything Sgrena represents can be captured in seven words and an ellipsis: "The refugees ... would not listen to me." In fact, as a reporter, Sgrena should have listened to the refugees, not the other way around. Sgrena didn't go to Iraq to report for the Communist newspaper Il Manifesto, she went to proselytize -- first the Iraqis, and the Italians afterward. She went to Iraq to discredit the Americans and the Italian government that allies itself with us, and she would only entertain those who agreed with her.

How fortunate, then, for her to run into precisely those people who do while in Iraq. In fact, it appears more and more that the kidnaping may not have been all that random, and the tearful pleas for her life -- which even Sgrena now says she exaggerated -- designed to extract the maximum cash for the factions she supports. Nicola Calipari may have died to free a woman who never was in danger in the first place. Small wonder that the Italians have now told their citizens in Iraq that if they stay there outside of their military protection, they're completely on their own.

Read all of Jack's column. As usual, it's a winner.

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Posted by Captain Ed

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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/13/2005 3:43:32 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 35834
 
Sgrena Flip-Flops Again

Captain's Quarters

In an otherwise unremarkable interview with John Follain for the Times of London, Giuliana Sgrena has changed her mind again about the American motivation for attacking the vehicle which was to take her to the Baghdad airport:

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A joint American-Italian investigation is due to report within a month on the shooting, but Sgrena refuses to accept that it might have been simply a blunder. “This was an ambush. No sign was given for us to stop. We were going at a normal speed and we were fired at,” she insists.

American and Italian authorities have branded as absurd the suggestion this was no accident but Sgrena remains undaunted: “The Americans don’t approve of the Italian policy on hostages, because of ransom payments, and the thing I want to know is whether the Americans tried to put a stop to this policy by preventing one of these operations from being completed,” she says. “The most important person on board was not me, it was Nicola. I don’t know what happened, but it’s impossible to classify this as just an accident,” she says — adding that she doesn’t give a damn whether a ransom was paid for her or not.
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Note that now, instead of slowing down or stopping before getting shot, she now says that they were traveling at "normal speed" when the shooting began. Of course, this differs entirely from what we heard yesterday, when she and her "life partner", Pier Scolari, said that such an allegation would be "stupid":


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The Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena, who was wounded by American fire last Friday soon after being released by kidnappers in Baghdad, has said that she does not think that the Americans were trying to kill her. "I never said that they wanted to kill me," she said on a television talk show, "but the mechanics of what happened were those of an attack."

In an interview with The Independent, her partner, Pier Scolari, said: "None of us is so stupid as to think the Americans did it on purpose. But the dynamic was that of an ambush and we want a convincing explanation of what happened, because the first American explanation was totally false."
>>>

Aaaaaand this is Scolari being "so stupid" in an interview with Il Manifesto after the initial reports came out:


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Pier Scolari, Sgrena's partner who flew to Baghdad to collect her, put an even more sinister construction on the events, suggesting in a television interview that Sgrena was the victim of a deliberate ambush. 'Giuliana may have received information which led to the soldiers not wanting her to leave Iraq alive,' he claimed.
>>>

Oh, those wacky Communist journalists -- always something new every day!


Posted by Captain Ed

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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/16/2005 1:41:12 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 35834
 
Say, Look What's Buried in the Times

By Cori Dauber

After all the attention given to the charges and counter-charges concerning the Italian journalist kidnapped, then shot at after her release, (and here's where it would be enormously helpful if the Times would follow the Post's lead, and add the information to their online articles, just telling the reader which page an article had appeared on if it was from the print edition) comes an article that's not exactly placed for maximum attention.

In fact it's below the fold on page A-8.

The headline reads, "Iraqis Say Italians Aren't Cooperating in Kidnapping Investigation," but in fact that's a bit misleading.

In fact, they aren't cooperating now, and they failed to cooperate during efforts to free her while she was a hostage, interfered with efforts to free her.

The Iraqis believe she wasn't being held by Islamists, by the kind of kidnappers who chop heads, but by a for-profit criminal group (which is why they aren't happy the Italians let them go, and with more money in their pockets.)

Twelve days after Ms. Sgrena was abducted, she was seen on a videotape pleading for her life and asking all foreigners, in particular Italian troops, to leave Iraq immediately. But Iraqi investigators believe that the display was essentially a bargaining ploy in ransom negotiations.

Information from the Italians, Colonel Jabbar asserted, could have made the difference in cracking the case and bringing the kidnappers to justice. Instead, he said, his investigators saw the lines of communication shut down once the Italians began negotiating with the kidnappers. (My emph.)

But they also say they aren't getting cooperation in finding the kidnappers now.

Iraqi investigators who are trying to find the kidnappers of the Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena say their work has been stymied by a lack of cooperation from the Italian intelligence services that won her release exactly a month after she was abducted on Feb. 4. (My emph.)

Given that Berlusconi's announcement about the Italian pullout is being spun as a response to public pressure in part due to the shooting, this is sort of relevant, isn't it? Wouldn't the Italian public be just a little bit interested to hear that the same Italian secret service let these guys get away, and aren't helping catch them now?

Although, come to think of it, there hasn't seemed to be much anger directed at the kidnappers. It's all been about the checkpoint shooting, not the kidnapping, and not about the ransom
.

Why isn't there any interest in catching the actual bad guys
?

But if that isn't true in Italy, you would think that here there would be interest in hearing that the Italians aren't helping catch a kidnapping ring.

Wouldn't you?


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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/16/2005 3:57:21 PM
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Roman tragedy

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Debra Saunders
March 15, 2005

Fuoco amico is the Italian term for friendly fire. Those words appeared frequently in Italian newspapers last week as Rome buried a hero, Nicola Calipari, the Italian intelligence agent who was shot to death by American troops at an Iraqi checkpoint after he freed an Italian hostage earlier this month.

News accounts reported that the tragic death had increased anger toward America and toward Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi for sending 3,000 troops to Iraq. As I was vacationing in Rome last week, I decided to go to where Calipari's funeral was being held. As an American, I wanted to thank Calipari for his sacrifice, and I wanted to hear for myself what Italians had to say.

As I arrived at the Piazza della Repubblica, I saw thousands of people who, like me, walked to the square in silence and alone, then found a place to stand and quietly thank a man they had never met. There were no chants, no shouts, only polite applause when the casket arrived, when they saw Calipari's family and when the entourage drove away.

I experienced the quietest two hours I have ever spent in a crowd of thousands.

When it was over, I asked an American journalist what folks in the crowd were telling her. They are really angry at America, she told me. I was surprised. In the two hours I stood there, I never once heard Italians muttering about President Bush, Estati Uniti, Americani. I had not seen one political sign. In fact, I saw only one sign, written by a woman who saluted Calipari as nobile and valoroso and placed him among the angels.

Several times, I overheard Italians use the word journalista, although my Italian wasn't good enough to figure out what they said about my profession.


The most relevant journalista wasn't there. Giuliana Sgrena, who became a hostage in Iraq as she covered what she called "that dirty war" for the communist daily Il Manifesto, was in an Italian hospital recovering from a shrapnel wound.

Be it noted, I saw only three copies of Il Manifesto at the piazza. This was not a gathering of Sgrena groupies -- despite the fact that Sgrena had spent the weekend posturing as Calipari's champion. She boasted that she told Calipari's widow she would get to the truth of what happened.

The truth.

As soon as she returned from Iraq, Sgrena penned a piece for Il Manifesto on the incident -- La Mia Verita, or in English, "my truth" -- thus confirming my rule in life to never trust anyone who claims ownership of The Truth with a capital T. (Or V.)

Sgrena wrote that her captors warned her to beware of the Americans, who "don't want you to go back." In a later interview, Sgrena said she could not rule out that she was the U.S. troops' real target.

Sgrena also wrote that she spent her early days in captivity "simply furious" and confronting her kidnappers because they snatched her even though she opposed the war. "It's easy to kidnap a weak woman like me. Why don't you try with the American military?"

A Department of Defense source later told The Washington Times: "We had (counter-terrorism) people looking for her. They were willing to risk their lives, and all you hear from her is criticism of American troops."

With Calipari's corpse still warm, Sgrena couldn't find it in herself to criticize the men whose actions triggered the events that led to Calipari's death -- other than to berate their choice of hostages and note that "sometimes they made fun of me." Her Truth takes no notice of the brutality of Iraq's terrorists, of their many victims. If America isn't to blame, then it is not an outrage.

Nor did it seem to bother her that her kidnappers may have emerged millions richer. Eight million dollars, $10 million or niente, as the Italian government says? -- a nice reward that can only encourage more kidnappings.

You've heard the reports of how Italians are skeptical of the initial U.S. version of events. I, too, have trouble believing that the checkpoint guards gave sufficient warning to the Italians, who oddly chose to ignore them and speed toward the checkpoint. Besides, no matter what the details turn out to be, there can be no satisfactory explanation for fuoco amico.

Italians also are skeptical of Giuliana Sgrena. Italian Foreign Minister Gianfranco Fini dismissed her talk of being the target of an ambush as "groundless," while other officials suggested she was mistaken due to the stress of being kidnapped.

I think this Eric Hoffer quote sums her up best: "People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Worse, when she licked her captors' boots, she called it Truth.


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Clarification: Debra J. Saunders' March 6 column on Border Patrol funding may have left readers with the misimpression that Rep. Christopher Cox, R-Calif., supports funding cuts proposed by the Bush administration. He does not.

©2005 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

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To: Suma who wrote (8365)3/17/2005 5:29:47 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
The European Ransom Craze

Little Green Footballs

It’s payday for the holy warriors again, as Spain finances a new batch of car bombs and suicide belts:

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Spanish hostage freed in Iraq: report.

An Iraqi-born Spanish businessman kidnapped in Baghdad several weeks ago has been freed after a ransom was paid, Spain’s leading daily reported.

El Pais reported that the kidnapped man, identified only by his initials, UAH, was freed on Tuesday, El Pais said, citing unidentified government sources.

The paper said the sources refused to give details of the ransom paid so as not to put people involved in the operation at risk.

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Categories of people that Spain doesn’t mind putting at risk:

- women and children standing in line at medical clinics

- police trying to keep order

- future kidnap victims

- commuters at Spanish train stations

- Americans

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To: Suma who wrote (8365)4/14/2005 3:01:54 AM
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Investigation Clears Soldiers In Giuliana Sgrena Checkpoint Shooting

Wizbang
By Kevin Aylward

NBC News is reporting that the preliminary report from a joint U.S.-Italian team investigating the shooting of Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena and intelligence agent Nicola Calipari has cleared the U.S soldiers of any wrongdoing.


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Intelligence agent Calipari had just negotiated Sgrena's release from Iraqi kidnappers on March 4 when the two and a driver headed for the Baghdad airport in a compact rental car.

It was dark when the Italians turned onto a ramp leading to the airport road where the U.S. military had set up a temporary checkpoint.

The investigation found the car was about 130 yards from the checkpoint when the soldiers flashed their lights as a warning to stop. But the car kept coming and, at 90 yards, warning shots were fired. At 65 yards, when the car failed to stop, the soldiers used lethal force - a machine gun burst that killed Calipari and wounded Sgrena and the driver.

The investigation failed, however, to resolve one critical dispute: The Americans claim the car was racing toward the checkpoint at about 50 miles per hour, the Italians say it was traveling at a much slower speed.

In Italy, agent Calipari was given a state funeral, but the investigation found he himself may have committed a fatal error. He reportedly chose not to coordinate his movements with the U.S. military for fear it would jeopardize his efforts to free the Italian hostage.

msnbc.msn.com
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The details of the investigation match the military's version of events, and contradict the many differing versions of the the story that Sgrena has offered.

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To: Suma who wrote (8365)4/14/2005 9:15:34 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
60 Minutes broadcast Communist Lies

Scared Monkeys
By Tom on Bloggers

From Neal Boortz’s Nealz Nuze , April 4th. 2005

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THE 60 MINUTES TRADITION CONTINUES

Last night on ‘60 Minutes Wednesday’ (yes, it’s still on the air, despite the forged documents fiasco) they kicked off the show with a story about the shooting of Giuliana Sgrena’s car in Iraq. That’s the communist journalist from Italy whose freedom was bought from her Islamic captors by the Italian government. By the way, she is a communist and she works for a communist newspaper, something you won’t hear too much of from the mainstream media (although 60 Minutes did get that right.)

At any rate, the piece last night by Scott Pelley included an interview with Giuliana Sgrena. In it, she continued to advance the lie that the U.S. Army attacked her on purpose, and that the official Army response was a lie. She says they weren’t speeding, that the were no warning lights and that the troops just started shooting for no reason. What a crock (more on that in a minute.)

In giving Giuliana Sgrena a platform to spew her leftist hatred against the United States, CBS and 60 Minutes continue their America-bashing tradition. The overall impression left from the broadcast last night is that the Coalition troops shot at Giuliana Sgrena’s car on purpose and killed the Italian intelligence agent on purpose. But wait…there’s a bit of news.

NBC is reporting that a preliminary report from the joint U.S.-Italian investigation concludes that the American soldiers did nothing wrong, and the Italians failed to coordinate the rescue with the U.S. Military. That would also mean they didn’t stop at the checkpoint.

In other words, Giuliana Sgrena lied, and CBS was right there to give her lie as much coverage as possible! A communist with a political agenda? Imagine our surprise!


boortz.com
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This is not surprising with the institutional bias over at 60 Minutes, but it is very disappointing.


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To: Suma who wrote (8365)4/14/2005 10:25:23 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
GIs Cleared in Death of Italian

The New York Post reports that an investigation has cleared the soldiers involved in the incident in which an Italian intelligence agent was killed while escorting journalist Giuliana Sgrena to the Baghdad Airport, just after ransoming her from kidnappers. The Post says:

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U.S. military officials told NBC News that a joint American-Italian investigation found the soldiers acted properly in firing on a car bearing a just-freed hostage, journalist Giuliana Sgrena, and an intelligence officer, Nicola Calipari.

The car was about 130 yards from a checkpoint when the soldiers flashed their lights to get it to stop. They fired warning shots when the car was within 90 yards of the checkpoint, but at 65 yards, they used deadly force. Calipari was killed and Sgrena wounded.
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The most significant thing, I think, is the joint nature of the investigation. It will be interesting to see whether the Italian authorities endorse and publicize the results of the investigation.


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To: Suma who wrote (8365)4/26/2005 12:45:40 PM
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Soldiers Cleared Over Italian Hostage Rescue Fiasco

In Courts Martial
The Command Post

From Reuters via the ABC :

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US investigators have found that American troops who shot dead an Italian agent at a Baghdad checkpoint on March 4 committed no wrongdoing and will not be disciplined, an Army official said.

Italy disagrees with key findings in the preliminary report by the US military investigators and has baulked at endorsing it, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

US troops fatally shot the Italian intelligence officer, Nicola Calipari, when they opened fire on a car heading for Baghdad airport in which he was escorting Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena, a hostage who had just been released.
[…]
The Army official said Italy was disputing two factual issues in the report: the speed of the car as it approached the checkpoint; and the nature of communications between the Italians and US forces in Iraq before the incident.

The soldiers were only complying with the standard operating procedures for those checkpoints, so therefore are not culpable to dereliction of duty [charges],” the Army official said.

Everybody feels terrible about it but given the climate and the security atmosphere, the security procedures at the checkpoint operations have to be run by the letter.
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To: Suma who wrote (8365)4/29/2005 6:52:32 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
The odd thing about this report is that even though CBS is
credited with breaking the story, their latest article about
the Sgrena incident makes no mention of the satellite images.

Sgrena's Car Was Going Faster than 60 MPH


Little Green Footballs

A US intelligence satellite recorded the Giuliana Sgrena shooting incident last month in Iraq—and it proves beyond a doubt that Sgrena was (and is) lying:

(Hat tip: LGF readers.)

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US satellite recorded checkpoint shooting, shows speed of Italian car.

WASHINGTON (AFP) - A US satellite reportedly recorded a checkpoint shooting in Iraq last month, enabling investigators to reconstruct how fast a car carrying a top Italian intelligence official and a freed hostage was traveling when US troops opened fire.

The report, which aired Thursday on CBS News, said US investigators concluded from the recording that the car was traveling at a speed of more than 60 miles (96 km) per hour.

Giuliana Sgrena has said the car was traveling at a normal speed of about 30 miles an hour when the soldiers opened fired, wounding her and killing Nicola Calipari, the Italian agent who had just secured her release from a month’s captivity. ...

CBS, citing Pentagon officials, said the satellite recording enabled investigators to reconstruct the event without having to rely on the eyewitness accounts.

It said the soldiers manning the checkpoint first spotted the Italian car when it was 137 yards (meters) away. By the time they opened fire and brought the car to a halt, it was 46 yards (meters) away. CBS said that happened in less than three seconds, which meant the car had to be going over 60 miles an hour.
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The odd thing about this report is that even though CBS is credited with breaking the story, their latest article about the Sgrena incident makes no mention of the satellite images.

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