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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Ed Huang who wrote (7303)3/9/2005 6:43:36 AM
From: rrufff  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 22250
 
Don't put words in my mouth or others. Very few Americans or Israelis for that matter support the Greater Israel theories of the few. There are always extremists in any camp.

It would be like my claiming that Won Huang Low wants China to take over the entire Asian sub continent. China certainly has become masterful in the use of its economic power, military might and push for hegemony to scare its neighbors. North Korea is a counterweight and that's why China will fight to keep them under control.

Thank goodness, your thinking is just plain wrong and bigoted.



To: Ed Huang who wrote (7303)3/9/2005 7:41:19 AM
From: Crimson Ghost  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 22250
 
More than 500,000 Lebanese Respond to Bush, Chirac, and Sharon

Kurt Nimmo

March 08, 2005

Here’s the deal in Lebanon: between 500,000 and a million Lebanese turned out to tell Bush and Chirac they don’t want Syria out of their country, not because they particularly love the Syrians but rather because they are deathly afraid of what will happen if the Syrian military leaves. “Hundreds of thousands of pro-Syrian demonstrators have gathered in Beirut to denounce what they see as Western interference in Lebanon,” reported al-Jazeera earlier today <http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4A02EB97-5B87-4F28-8B
91-523CCAA3FE92.htm > . “No to foreign interference,” banners read. “Beirut is free, America out,” protesters chanted.

“Syrian forces are credited with helping end the civil war that tore Lebanon apart,” notes Reuters < reuters.com
D=7840996&pageNumber=2 >. “Christian, Muslim and Druze militias fought each other. Battles also erupted within rival communities. About 150,000 people are thought to have died.”

Such encapsulated history lessons do not get to the bottom of why there was a civil war in Lebanon—and why there may be another one if Syria departs.

In 1975, when the civil war began, the Christian Maronites refused to share political and economic power with the Muslim majority. “Although the two warring factions were often characterized as Christian versus Muslim, their individual composition was far more complex,” writes Ayman Ghazi < ghazi.de >. “Those in favor of maintaining the status quo came to be known as the Lebanese Front. The groups included primarily the Maronite militias of the Jumayyil, Shamun, and Franjiyah clans, often led by the sons of zuama. Also in this camp were various militias of Maronite religious orders. The side seeking change, usually referred to as the Lebanese National Movement, was far less cohesive and organized. For the most part it was led by Kamal Jumblatt and included a variety of militias from leftist organizations and guerrillas from rejectionist Palestinian (nonmainstream PLO) organizations.”

It must be remembered that Syria basically intervened in Lebanon to prevent the defeat of the Christian Maronites. “Syria involved itself initially to protect Christians from defeat at the hands of the Muslims. President Asad of Syria had been duped by Henry Kissinger and the Israelis into believing that if he, Asad, did not enter the war to rein in the PLO and the Muslims, then Israel would have to go in and do the job itself, a prospect Asad found terrifying. Kissinger played skillfully on Asad’s fears and succeeded in dividing the Arabs further to the benefit of Israel.” (See Ted Thornton, Civil War in Lebanon, 1975-1989:http://www.nmhschool.org/tthornton/mehistorydatabase/civil_w
ar_in_lebanon.htm .)

In 1980, when the Muslims took action against the Christian Maronite Phalange Party militia — the Phalange < countrystudies.us. > began as a fascist party inspired by the Nazis in 1936 — the Israelis intervened on the behalf of the Phalange, shot down two Syrian helicopters, and the Syrians responded by introducing SA-2 and SA-6 surface-to-air missiles into Lebanon; this escalation threatened to turn the Lebanese civil war into a regional conflict.
Two years later, on June 6, 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon to wipe out the PLO—obviously, the PLO and few Palestinians would not have been in Lebanon if Israel had not ethnically cleansed them over the preceding three decades—and encircled west Beirut and began a three-month siege of Palestinian and Syrian forces in the city, resulting in 12,000 killed and 30,000 wounded (see Abdulhadi Khalaf,Invasion and resistance: Beirut 1982, Baghdad 2003:http://www.lebanonwire.com/0304/03041410DS.asp ).

Israel and the United States worked hand-in-hand in the effort to kill thousands of Lebanese. “The US government backed Israel to the hilt,” writes John Rose <http://www.doublestandards.org/rose1.html >. “Immediately before the invasion, General Ariel Sharon, the Israeli Defense Minister and the man most responsible for the prosecution of the war in Lebanon, visited Washington where he informed US Defense Secretary Casper Weinberger that Israel must act in Lebanon. Pentagon figures reveal a massive surge of military supplies from the United States to Israel in the first three months of 1982. Delivery of military goods was almost 50 per cent greater than in the preceding year.”

Rose’s account makes mention of the Israelis targeting hospitals, a brutal tactic since taken up by the United States in Iraq. “In the first bombing of Beirut in June, a children’s hospital in the Sabra refugee camp was hit and the Gaza Hospital near the camps was reported hit. ‘There is nothing unusual’ in the story told by an operating room assistant who lost both hands in the attack. ‘That the target of the air strike was a hospital, whether by design or accident, is not unique either,’ reported William Branigan in the Washington Post. The Acre Hospital was again hit on 24 June, along with the Gaza Hospital and the Islamic Home for Invalids where ‘the corridors were streaked with blood.”

In order to understand why millions of Lebanese fear the Israelis and Americans, it is worth quoting Rose at length:

As the battering of Beirut reached new heights of savagery, the popularity of Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin soared to record heights. A mid-August poll showed that 80 per cent of Israelis supported the invasion of Lebanon (it was supported by the Labour opposition in the Israeli parliament) and 64 per cent approved the decision to go beyond the 25-mile zone—at which the early propaganda had said the Israelis would stop.

(…)

The Israeli opposition Labour Party did nothing to stop the invasion of Lebanon. With just two exceptions, Labour voted with the ruling Likud party to support the invasion. This fitted exactly the mood of Labour supporters, 91 per cent of whom backed the war.

(…)

In the period immediately following the bombing of Beirut on 12 August, theUnited States government became heavily involved in the arrangements concerning the evacuation of the PLO from the city. An American peacekeeping force was sent in with the dual responsibility of overseeing the departure of the PLO and safeguarding the remaining civilian Palestinian population.

(…)

Shortly after this, the Israeli Defence Forces moved into Beirut and the massacre of Sabra and Shatila began … The American government, like Begin and Sharon, did not actually have their fingers on the triggers of the guns, but their complicity cannot be in doubt. [Fascist Phalange militias, at the behest of Sharon, were the ones who had “their fingers on the triggers of the guns” at the Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps, killing between 700 and 800 people.]

“The Lebanese are stunned,” Robert Fisk reported in January <http://www.robert-fisk.com/articles442.htm >. “They know that the regional tour of the US neo-conservative deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, with his demands for a Syrian withdrawal and the disarmament of the anti-Israeli Hizbollah militia, is part of Israel’s agenda in Levant. A weakened Syria, along with a pliantLebanon without any anti-Israeli forces on its border, is almost as pleasant for Washington and its Israeli friends as an emasculated, American-dominated Iraq.”

As well, as in Iraq, sectarian and ethnic violence in Lebanon works in the favor of Israel and the United States — once again imposing, as the French did before them, the colonial rule of divide and conquer, and thus, as Zbigniew Brzezinski said of Asia, preventing collusion and maintaining security dependence among the vassals — and this is precisely what will happen after Syria departs. Millions of Lebanese know this and that is why they poured in the streets in record numbers, demandingIsrael and the United States keep their hands off Lebanon. Syrian troops in their country are a secondary matter entirely.



To: Ed Huang who wrote (7303)3/9/2005 2:17:58 PM
From: Brasco One  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 22250
 
chunago, the people you admire are cutting off childrens heads. shame on your for supporting these criminals.

Security Forces Find 41 Corpses in Iraq

1 hour, 47 minutes ago Top Stories - AP


By TODD PITMAN, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi officials said Wednesday that 41 bodies — some bullet-riddled, others beheaded — have been found at two sites, and they believe some of the corpses are Iraqi soldiers kidnapped and killed by insurgents. At least 30 American contractors, meanwhile, were wounded by a suicide bombing near a hotel.

AP Photo

In another attack, interim Planning Minister Mahdi al-Hafidh escaped assassination after gunmen opened fire on his convoy in Baghdad. One of his guards was killed and two others were wounded, police said.

A U.S. soldier was killed and another was injured Wednesday when a roadside bomb detonated as they were patrolling in the capital, the military said.

Authorities found 26 of the corpses late Tuesday in a field near Rumana, a village about 12 miles east of the western city of Qaim, near the Syrian border, police Capt. Muzahim al-Karbouli and other officials said.

Each of the bodies had been riddled with bullets — apparently several days earlier. They were found wearing civilian clothes and one of the dead was a woman, al-Karbouli said.

South of Baghdad in Latifiya, Iraqi troops on Tuesday found 15 headless bodies in a building inside an abandoned former army base, Defense Ministry Capt. Sabah Yassin said. The bodies included 10 men, three women and two children. Their identities, like the others found in western Iraq (news - web sites), were not known.

Yassin said some of the dead men in Latifiya were thought to have been part of a group of Iraqi soldiers who were kidnapped by insurgents in the area two weeks ago, Yassin said.

In the Baghdad suicide bombing, a garbage truck packed with explosives blew up outside the Agriculture Ministry and the Sadeer Hotel, which is used by Western contractors, killing at least three people, and wounding the 30 Americans, officials said. The bomber also died.

The U.S. Embassy said the 30 injured Americans were among 40 people hurt in the blast, but no Americans were killed. In an Internet statement, al-Qaida in Iraq purportedly claimed responsibility for the attack on the Sadeer, calling it the "hotel of the Jews."

The bombing shook nearby buildings in the heart of the capital, injuring dozens of people and sending up a huge column of acrid black smoke. Volleys of automatic weapons fire could be heard before and after the explosion.

Police said a group of insurgents wearing police uniforms first shot to death a guard at the Agriculture Ministry's gate, allowing the truck to enter a compound the ministry shares with the adjacent Sadeer hotel. Guards in the area then fired on the vehicle, trying to disable it before it exploded.

Officials at al-Kindi hospital said at least three dead and eight wounded were taken there. Ibn al-Nafis hospital counted at least 27 wounded, said Dr. Falleh al-Jubouri.

The truck blew up in a parking lot, where several burning vehicles were in flames and 20 others were damaged.

Two other car bombings were also reported. Police 1st Lt. Mohammed al-Duleimi said one car bomber targeted an American checkpoint outside a base in Habaniyah, 50 miles west of Baghdad. Another car bomb exploded near U.S. troops close to a U.S. base in Abu Ghraib, just west of the capital, police Lt. Akram al-Zubaie said.

Elsewhere, guerrillas struck a police patrol with a roadside bomb in the southern city of Basra, killing one policeman and wounding three more, Lt. Col. Karim Al-Zaydi said.

The attack against Iraq's interim planning minister was the latest by insurgents who have repeatedly targeted top Iraqi officials and civil servants viewed as collaborating with U.S. forces.

A woman who answered al-Hafidh's cell phone and refused to be identified confirmed he had survived the attack in the upscale Baghdad neighborhood of Mansour.



"Thank God, he's OK. He's fine," she said.

The violence came a day after the U.S. military announced it was speeding up an inquiry into the shooting death of an Italian agent killed Friday by U.S. troops at a Baghdad checkpoint — a friendly fire incident that has strained relations with Italy, a key American ally that sent 3,000 troops to Iraq. The agent was escorting Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena to the airport just after insurgents freed her.

The shooting that killed Italian intelligence officer Nicola Calipari and wounded Sgrena, a 56-year-old journalist for the left-wing Il Manifesto newspaper, angered Italians and rekindled questions about the country's involvement in Iraq.

In Rome, Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, in his first major address since the shooting, said Calipari had U.S. military authorization for his operation to win the release of Sgrena.

He said their car stopped immediately when a light was flashed. The U.S. military has said the Americans used hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots to try to get the car to stop.

The U.S. 3rd Infantry Division, which controls Baghdad, said the vehicle was "traveling at high speeds" and "refused to stop at a checkpoint."

"When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two others," it said.

Berlusconi said friendly fire is "painful" to accept, but he reassured lawmakers that the United States is committed to finding out the truth.

"I'm sure that in a very short time every aspect of this will be clarified," he said.

President Bush (news - web sites) sent a letter to Italian President Carlo Azeglio Ciampi renewing his promise for a swift and thorough investigation.

U.S. officials said the inquiry will take three to four weeks, and Italian officials were invited to participate.



To: Ed Huang who wrote (7303)3/9/2005 3:21:53 PM
From: Yaacov  Respond to of 22250
 
Fu-man-chiu, how is life in China these days. You guys have it made. you have no terrorism, no un-employment, and job-problem. What else can a man want? ggg I want to be a Chinese like you Ed, work, eat good food, and watch Kung-fu movies at night, and make subersive posts on SI. It is like being dead and have gone to paradise.