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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (674603)	3/9/2005 1:32:18 PM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

I'll take your advice since it's the same advice you got after the 2000 and 2004 elections. However, complaint was about Ms. Heinz's poor manners. We are lucky she didn't wind up in the White House because she isn't fit to be First Lady.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (674603)	3/9/2005 5:27:27 PM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769670

election thief

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (674603)	3/9/2005 5:40:50 PM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769670

deanesmay.com deanesmay.com Liberal and conservative have lost a lot of their original meanings. Liberal is related to "liberty" is in not? Conservative is now a different concept than conservationist. I think conservative means wanting to preserve Constitutional principles, as stated in the preamble. But the parties keep changing subtly. Now we have libertarians who also think of themselves a liberal but not in the Ted Kennedy sense. I've been toying with another term, Independentarian, because there is a difference between independence and liberty. Both mean free, but the former means literally means not dependent, which is what Americans should be. Liberty is also related to libertine, as in a person with no restraints. It's always been my belief that if you indulge yourself in too much liberty, you may end up losing your independence. In my view, citizenship in this country comes with responsibilities, such as being self-supporting, paying taxes, and not becoming a burden to others, except with their consent. Those principles go against transfers of wealth and bureaucracies. They also limit government to what is necessary for us to do jointly. The War on Drugs may be over the top and goofy, but it's a response to parents who want to save their kids. An Independent society should outlaw drug abuse and drug that pose a hhigh risk of abuse and addiction, on the grounds that wasting your life on dope will make you dependent on others to support you. Fathering children and bearing children with the expectation that others will support them, same thing. OK. I'm ranting, so I'll end it there. The point, however, is that to know what a term means, you have to know its context in social, temporal as well as syntactic terms. ========= While I generally vote Democratic Party, I still have a hard time accepting being called "Liberal". I think it has a bit to do with who is saying it, and the connotation of what most of the public believes it means. If a Republican says "Liberal" he usually is trying to impose a label that says: Spendthrift, commie, college-boy, fiscally irresponsible radical that doesnt see the forest for the owls in it. I think I can accept Liberal in the classical sense, but in today's culture putting the label LIBERAL on yourself is setting up a prejudice. Even DEMOCRAT pretty much labels you as LIBERAL today. Especially if you even make any type of statement about the current President questioning his leadership on ANY subject. Dont call me Liberal, Dont call me Democrat even. Call me a person with an opinion, open to yours as well. For the record: 1) I voted for Reagan once. Once. 2) I voted for Clinton twice, and dont regret it. 3) Clinton was a womanizer, and I dont respect that about him. I do appreciate his intelligence in other areas, however. 4)I hate abortion, and think limits and thoughtful legislation is needed. 5)I hate the use of drugs for "recreational purposes" and wish we could come up with a better solution to the rampant use of them. 6) Alcohol is an even worse problem that Democrats and Republicans alike wont address. 7)I will vote for those that I think are good leaders, intelligent and honest, and have the GOOD OF THE COUNTRY, not themselves, at heart. 8)Dont mess with our Protected lands. We protected them for the purpose of keeping SOMETHING in this country untainted by us. 9) I am a Christian, but respect the rights of others to the belief of their choice. That is what is great about America. Lets keep it that way. PS- Even though Kurt Vonnegut Jr is an athesist (If I remember correctly), I have enjoyed almost every book he has written. Posted by Rory McDonald on April 21, 2003 at 10:10 PM