To: carranza2 who wrote (103845 ) 3/9/2005 5:48:42 PM From: Maurice Winn Respond to of 793799 <It's not the form of the public recognition that matters, but its semiotics. Something that signifies a hearty "well-done" should be made a part of our national and indeed international scientific and technological legacy. We need to stop and hail the extraordinary in some form or fashion. Those who perform extraordinary feats should accept the accolades even if they don't care for the pomp because it serves a larger purpose, namely, igniting the ambitions of the young. > I suppose it's because I'm an engineer and have spent years going around factories which make things [while I was selling lubricants and fuels etc] that I think people don't appreciate what has been created. Every tiny little thing that we use each day has been created by somebody and supported in development and distribution by a LOT of people. We are so accustomed to the whole process [which doesn't happen in many countries] that it's almost assumed to be a natural state. In New Zealand, I have watched for several years as awards are given out and I have NOT seen a single award for an engineer. It's all socialist hangers-on, bludgers and kleptocrats, arty farties, sundry do-gooders, police, lawyers, doctors, educationists, women, Maoris, etc, etc, etc. NO engineers. That says a LOT about New Zealand society. I had the pleasure of standing and applauding Dr J and Andrew Viterbi in Y2K's AGM along with 1000s of others. I'm not much of a revivalist or Amway-style enthusiast, but I really do appreciate great people. Dr J, I'm sure, appreciated the appreciation. It's better than cash flow, though cash flow is a necessary part of appreciation to enable the creative process to continue. Americans en masse [with Kiwis] were happy to give Dr J a major award. Not many Chairmen of companies would have received such an accolade. I bet he values it as much [or more] than the Al Gore award. Mqurice