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To: chowder who wrote (22893)3/12/2005 4:47:50 PM
From: CommanderCricket  Respond to of 23153
 
Dabum,

Excellent - printed out and tacked above my computer.

It's right above a picture of mouse looking at a piece of cheese in a mouse trap. The trap is surrounded by NASDAQ ticker symbols.

Michael

BTW: Cold, cloudy and damp day in Chicago. Had snow overnight.

Spending the day surfing!



To: chowder who wrote (22893)3/12/2005 10:48:59 PM
From: whitepine  Respond to of 23153
 
TA is not an objective operation. My understanding is that people make reasoned applications/deductions about statistical patterns as they attempt to understand the future. <<<

dabumTrying to determine the future based on the past by using TA is not any more effective than those who use FA and don't have the correct numbers to come to an accurate conclusion. FA doesn't move prices anyway. Buying does.

wp---Yes, but for many in the market, some dimension of FA is a necessary precursor to the decision to buy or sell. Thus, elements of FA do affect market actions.

dabumThere has to be more buying than selling and that's TA.

wp--- I disagree. Buyers always equal sellers. The issue is at what price.

dabumFA is something that we humans need to justify the reason for a trade. It doesn't impact price action. FA may cause some people to buy but it's the actual buying that drives prices and it doesn't matter what the reason is for buying.

wp--- Again, I disagree. Though there many be many reasons people sell, massive selling or buying pressure is a reflection/function of some collective consensus about the price of any object, be it a stock, art, or oranges. I doubt you would argue that recent reports of a decline in Chinese demand for oil in the last quarter affected market prices for patch stocks.

dabum Does it matter if a 10% return is made because of a technical bounce or some news related item that a company is coming out with a new product? Why should I care what causes the 10% move as long as I define the buying patterns in advance?

wp--- Of course, it doesn’t matter. However, is TA that good? Did it suggest the recent selling pattern for ELAN? Did candles ‘imply’ or suggest price drop of more than 50%, premarket?

dabumSuccessful trading is a matter of defining at what point will demand overcome supply. And, if you are wrong, at what point do you admit it and protect your capital. That can only be done through TA.

wp---dabum, though I am interested in trading and TA, (and I certainly don’t discount your successes) I am trying to understand relative PE ratios and the root value of a stock. In large measure, your comments about TA-FA are talking past me. I remain focused on a separate problem.

Dabum No sir! Price action is defined by the "proper use" of TA and the proper use of TA isn't about patterns. It's about supply vs demand and how they relate to price support or price resistance levels. Support and resistance are based in the psychology of the market, and if one understands the psychological habits behind buying and selling, then one can anticipate future price action with a little more accuracy. That's TA!

wp--- Again, why does the psychology for holding/owning Pey/un.to or Hte/un.to for the last 2-3 years differ from the psychology of owning ELN? Or, would you care to share your views about FDG’s recent price actions and ‘future projections?’

I also take issue with your view about anticipated future price actions. At what point did the price band for RIG in the 18-22 range change such that the new range is north of 40? At what point will it return to 18-22 and what will be the catalyst? I would argue, world events, price of oil, Chinese demand, etc., and NOT just the idiosyncratic movement of yesterday’s candle of price action.

To summarize, I think in large measure the thrust of our respective views is different.

Respectfully,

wp