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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: sea_urchin who wrote (10375)3/16/2005 4:57:14 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20039
 
Re: But is it really as simplistic as religiously inspired ethnic cleansing -- something like SA or former Yugoslavia?

Yep... I'm afraid it's really as simplistic, if more ominous, as ideologically inspired cleansing.

Re: The Israelis cannot physically hope to occupy the lands in the Mid East or anywhere else they lay claim to. In fact, they have long ago lost the demographic battle, even against the Palestinians.

Oh, but of course, Israelis, even the uber-Zionists, don't plot to settle all the land stretching from the Nile to the Euphrates... They merely yet resolutely intend to hold exclusive sovereignty over Jerusalem, that is, ALL of Jerusalem, both east and west. You don't need millions of Jews to settle and control a city like Jerusalem.

As for Israel losing the demographic battle, it's not that simple: you seem to forget that demographics matters only so far as demoCRACY prevails. As a South African, you're well placed to know that a technologically superior minority can easily neutralize adverse demographics by denying the (black, Arab,...) majority equality of rights. Hence Jewish Israelis can live with a state that primarily caters to Jews (law of return), that forbids land/real estate acquisition to non-Jews, that restricts political representation of non-Jews, that grants privileges to military veterans (whose main job was to fight non-Jews), etc. regardless of the millions of Arabs that are being discriminated against in the process....

Gus



To: sea_urchin who wrote (10375)3/16/2005 10:01:19 AM
From: Don Earl  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20039
 
I think we're starting to drift away from the topic on Israel's motivation to see 9/11 executed. The blackmail value alone of being in on Bush murdering his own people is incalculable. Iraqi support for the Palestinian cause has been eliminated and Israel is in talks for a oil pipeline to transport Iraqi oil through Israel. Not to mention Israel can hardly wait for any kind trumped up excuse to use the military hardware we've loaded them down with to invade Iran.

At a certain point, the cultural, religious, or philosophical rationalizations become moot. As close as I can tell, evil deeds are always perpetrated by crazy people who hear voices in their head from "god" telling them it's all okay.



To: sea_urchin who wrote (10375)3/16/2005 7:18:54 PM
From: sea_urchin  Respond to of 20039
 
> Could it not be that the US has an imperialistic agenda quite apart from the Zionistic one .... ?

Here's a writer who expresses that opinion -- William Engdahl

deepspace4.com

currentconcerns.ch

>>The coalition of interests which converged on war against Iraq as a strategic necessity for the United States, included not only the vocal and highly visible neo-conservative hawks around Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz. It also included powerful permanent interests, on whose global role American economic influence depends, such as the influential energy sector around Halliburton, Exxon Mobil, ChevronTexaco and other giant multinationals. It also included the huge American defense industry interests around Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, Raytheon, Northrup-Grumman and others. The issue for these giant defense and energy conglomerates is not a few fat contracts from the Pentagon to rebuild Iraqi oil facilities and line the pockets of Dick Cheney or others. It is a game for the very continuance of American power in the coming decades of the new century. That is not to say that profits are made in the process, but it is purely a bypro-duct of the global strategic issue.

In this power game, least understood is the role of preserving the dollar as the world reserve currency, as a major driving factor contributing to Washington’s power calculus over Iraq in the past months. American domination in the world ultimately rests on two pillars — its overwhelming military superiority, especially on the seas; and its control of world economic flows through the role of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. More and more it is clear that the Iraq war was more about preserving the second pillar – the dollar role – than the first, the military. In the dollar role, oil is a strategic factor.

This is the world which neo-conservative hawks around Rumsfeld and Cheney are suggesting America has to dominate, with a policy of pre-emptive war.

A hidden war between the dollar and the new Euro currency for global hegemony is at the heart of this new phase.

In September 2000, during the campaign, a small Washington think-tank, the Project for a New American Century, released a major policy study: ‘Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategies, Forces and Resources for a New Century’. The report is useful in many areas to better understand present Administration policy. On Iraq, it states, ‘The United States has sought for decades to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.’

This PNAC paper is the essential basis for the September 2002 Presidential White Paper, ‘The National Security Strategy of the United States of America’. The PNAC’s paper supportes a, ‘blueprint for maintaining global U.S. pre-eminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests The American Grand Strategy must be pursued as far into the future as possible.’ Further, the U.S. must, ‘discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role.’ (emphasis added).

The PNAC membership in 2000 reads like a roster of the Bush Administration today. It included Cheney, his wife Lynne Cheney, neo-conservative Cheney aide, Lewis Libby; Donald Rumsfeld; Rumsfeld Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. It also included NSC Middle East head, Elliott Abrams; John Bolton of the State Department; Richard Perle, and William Kristol. As well, former Lockheed-Martin vice president, Bruce Jackson, and ex-CIA head James Woolsey were on board, along with Norman Podhoretz, another founding neo-con. Woolsey and Podhoretz speak openly of being in ‘World War IV’.

It is becoming increasingly clear to many that the war in Iraq is about preserving a bankrupt American Century model of global dominance. It is also clear that Iraq is not the end. What is not yet clear and must be openly debated around the world, is how to replace the failed Petro-dollar order with a just new system for global economic prosperity and security.

Now, as Iraq threatens to explode in internal chaos, it is important to rethink the entire postwar monetary order anew. The present French-German-Russian alliance to create a counterweight to the United States requires not merely a French-led version of the Petro-dollar system, some Petro-euro system, that continues the bankrupt American Century, only with a French accent, and euros replacing dollars. That would only continue to destroy living standards across the world, adding to human waste and soaring unemployment in industrial as well as developing nations. We must entirely rethink what began briefly with some economists during the 1998 Asia crisis, the basis of a new monetary system which supports human development, and does not destroy it.<<