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To: tejek who wrote (224243)	3/16/2005 1:14:18 AM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571040

Separate but equal is a restriction of freedom and not democratic. It may be unjust, but it is not necessarily a restriction on freedom, and if the majority votes it in it isn't undemocratic. And this isn't a normal case of "separate but equal" anyway. The law applies the same way to each individual. There isn't a separate law of gay people and heterosexuals. Both of them can marry someone of the opposite sex. Homosexuals can argue that the law doesn't server them well and should be changed, but it isn't a different law for different people, nor is it a restriction of freedom, or undemocratic, or unconstitutional. Whether or not it is unjust is something that people will have different opinions about. Judges are supposed to insure that laws are constitutional. It would be nice if they would really focus on that, and consider themselves limited to that. Well not totally to that they also interpret non-constitutional law, but they should try to interpret the law itself not impose their opinion of what the law should be. If they want to do that they should have become politicians instead of judges. " You argue that allowing same sex marriage is what is right. You also argue that it is what CA's constitution allows for. The problem is that even if you are correct on both of those issues (and they could both be argued) that would not say anything about the concept of democracy. If you want to argue about democracy that make your argument about democracy. As it is your again showing the logical fallacy of "irrelevant conclusion" intrepidsoftware.com You argue about one thing and then claim to have shown something else." You've lost me. Its very simple, but I'll rephrase it for you. You make an argument that not allowing same sex marriage is wrong, and you make an argument that it is unconstitutional, and then you act as if these arguments showed it to be undemocratic. But undemocratic is not the same thing as being unconstitutional. So even if you were correct in your actual arguments you haven't supported your original contention about how not having legal same sex marriage is undemocratic. If you want to drop the point about it being undemocratic we can examine the other ideas but you shouldn't pretend that you have established that it is undemocratic by making an attempt to show that it is wrong, or unconstitutional. Tim