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To: Lane3 who wrote (104769)3/18/2005 7:29:36 AM
From: Tom Clarke  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793795
 
I caught this post regarding the Schiavo case.

March 18, 2005
Mr. President-- Recall Congress, Now
"So Proud To Be a Republican:"

The Republican controlled House passed a bill on Wednesday night that would have saved Terri Schiavo's life. But the Republican controlled Senate wouldn't pass it. The Republican controlled Senate instead passed its own narrower bill at 5:35 pm tonight, but it couldn't become a law because, 75 minutes earlier, the Republican controlled House decided, without waiting for the Senate vote, to adjourn for its vacation for Easter.Pretty cool, huh?

Does this feel like a fix to anyone else? Like conservative Congressmen maybe wanted to appear to be "trying to do something," and yet, awww shucks, they just couldn't act in time?

These jackasses make $150,000+ on our dime. They can work a fucking Friday morning to save a life.

posted by Ace at 03:39 AM

ace.mu.nu



To: Lane3 who wrote (104769)3/18/2005 8:59:20 AM
From: DMaA  Respond to of 793795
 
Somewhere in the past 14 years this case has changed from tragedy to farce:

From Drudge

**Exclusive Fri Mar 18 2005 00:50:07 ET** The Chairman of the Health, Education, Labor, and Pension (HELP) Committee, Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming) has requested Terri Schiavo to testify before his congressional committee, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. In so doing it triggers legal or statutory protections for the witness, among those protections is that nothing can be done to cause harm or death to this individual.

Members of Congress went to the U.S. Attorney in DC to ask for a temporary restraining order to be issued by a judge, which protects Terri Schiavo from having her life support, including her feeding and hydration tubes, removed... Developing...

And from Boortz

boortz.com

THE RIGHT TO DIE

I think that I am about the only radio talk show host in the nation that thinks that nature should be allowed to take its course and Terri Schiavo should be allowed to die. Expect an absolute media frenzy today as the time approaches for Schiavo's feeding tube to be removed. The demonstrators are already gathering outside of the nursing facility. Republicans in the congress are getting in on the act. Republican Mike Enzi of Wyoming, the chairman of the Health, Education, Labor and Pension committee, says that he is going to issue a subpoena today to Terri Schiavo ... a subpoena to testify before the committee. This illustrates the absurdity of this situation as nothing else can. Congress will subpoena a woman in a persistent vegetative state to testify. All we need now is for some sort of special arrangement to allow West Virginia's Robert Byrd to question her.

At the center of the Terri Schiavo tragedy is America's anti-abortion movement. Notice, please, the presence of Terry Randall. The fact is that the anti-abortion movement has seized Terri Schiavo ... figuratively kidnapped her .. and they intend to use this woman to further their anti-abortion agenda. They will entomb the soul of Terri Schiavo in her now-useless body as long as it suits their agenda.

The language of those who would continue the imprisonment of Terri Schiavo is odd, if not amusing. She's referred to as disabled, in a coma or just brain damaged. She is not "disabled" in the normal context of the word. Her body is, for all practical purposes, dead ... being kept alive solely through extraordinary artificial means. She's not in a coma. People recover from comas. Her condition is diagnosed as a "persistent vegetative state." There is no medical record of someone recovering from a persistent vegetative state. This is not a state of brain damage. It is, for all practical purposes, brain death.

The absurdities of this case would be funny if they weren't so pathetic. Terri's family said last year that they wanted to take her to the mall, and for other field trips. Of course, those trips never happened; just as Terri will never testify before a congressional committee. We also have the blatant attempts to turn the attention away from Terri's condition and to her husband. His crime? He says, and the courts have agreed, that he is merely carrying out wishes expressed to him by his wife. Listen to the Schiavo family and you will hear that her husband her condition was caused by a beating at the hands of her husband. It wasn't. You'll hear that her husband stands to rack up huge piles of money as soon as Terri dies. He won't.

Now put yourself in this position. You're watching TV with your spouse one night and see a show about someone on life support. You tell your husband or wife that you don't want to ever be in that state, and would they please pull the plug should you ever become incapacitated. However, you don't write it down, and apparently don't tell your parents. Tragedy strikes, and only your spouse knows your true wishes. Should your spouse be ignored in favor of your parents who want to keep you alive at all costs?

Michael Schiavo has turned down $10 million to terminate his rights in this case. He says he just wants to do what Terry wanted. Who's right? Doesn't the spouse come before the parents in any marriage? Time for everybody to write down what their wishes are, so this doesn't happen to you.

I'm sure that there is no shortage of people who think that I'm possessed by some evil spirit. No. I'm just sad that Terri's spirit or soul .. whatever you want to call it ... is trapped in this useless body. Her parents' love has clouded their judgment. This can be understood and excused. What can't be excused is the cruelty of the so-called "right to life" movement that will allow this woman to continue to suffer s long as their own needs are met.

Now, a question. How many of you can honestly say that you would like to be kept alive, for 20, 40, 50 years or more like this? If you wouldn't want this for yourself, why do so many of you work so hard to force this reality on Terri Schiavo? Oh .. I forgot. You're pro-life. Well isn't that special.

There's one more element to the Schiavo case. This is a Florida matter, not a federal matter. The courts of the State of Florida have made their rulings. The U.S. Congress has no role to play here. This is a blatant attempt on the part of the Congress to usurp bona fide state's rights in order to please a particular political constituency.



To: Lane3 who wrote (104769)3/18/2005 3:08:10 PM
From: Ilaine  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793795
 
Just got back from a hearing down in Spottsylvania Courthouse so haven't been kept up to speed on the Schiavo case.

With respect to the federalism issue -- well, the Constitution does guarantee that we should not be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law, so it seems to me that the Founders believed that due process issues concerning ending a person's life are federal issues.

Federalism, as I see it, is about the states acting as "laboratories for democracy" but the right to life isn't something I care to see subjected to the will of the majority. Scalia said something recently that I liked, with respect to the way he sees his role as a justice on the SCOTUS, it's his job to tell the majority to "take a hike." (Parenthetically, this shreds the argument about this being a Christian nation, since that argument plays to the majority, but I don't expect even Scalia to be perfect.)

The first time I heard George Allen speak, I said to myself that he had a very good shot at being president some day, and I still think so. He's got that undefinable thing that they have, both the good ones and the bad ones. Charisma I guess it is, although that's not exactly the word. Close enough.

With respect to the pre-packaged news, it just boggles the mind. I worked in the printing industry for years, most of the time working in shops that printed newspapers (weeklies and monthlies), and I could tell pre-fab news stories from house-generated news stories by things like typefaces, and whether the photos were pre-press ready from an outside source, but the only times I saw pre-fab news was in soft news, like movie reviews. I guess print outlets are not as big media whores as TV?



To: Lane3 who wrote (104769)3/18/2005 11:46:31 PM
From: Ilaine  Respond to of 793795
 
>>Conservatives & Terri Schiavo - The Washington Post gets it totally wrong.

The Washington Post editorial this morning regarding Terri Schiavo is shamefully disingenuous. It tut-tuts at the alleged inconsistency of conservatives, who have led the fight to limit federal courts from using habeas-corpus procedures to second-guess state court rulings involving even capital defendants, but who are nonetheless seeking to thrust federal judges onto to state courts of Florida for a review that might save Terri’s life. After blathering at some length in this vein, the paper winds up by declaiming that Congress’s “message to state courts is that they can do as they will with accused criminals and rely on federal law to shield them from review, but Congress will pull out the stops to overturn rulings — however local — that members don't like.” (Italics mine.) How ridiculous.

First of all, the state defendants whose cases are reviewed on federal habeas corpus, including those facing the death penalty, are not accused criminals. They are convicted criminals, including convicted murderers. By the time their cases reach the federal courts, years after their crimes, they have had: a full-blown state trial (or guilty plea) at which they were presumed innocent and the state had to establish their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt; an extensive appellate review in the state appeals courts; an additional appellate review in the state’s highest court; and an additional opportunity to seek habeas-corpus relief in the state courts if they can establish some violation of their fundamental rights in the trial proceedings.

Second, conservatives (and Congress) have not barred these convicted felons from seeking federal habeas-corpus review. The federal habeas-corpus statutes were amended in 1996 — on the signature of that well-known conservative, President Bill Clinton — to limit convicts to a single bite at the apple. This was necessary because these inmates would generally hold back some of their claims of legal violation (99 percent of which are frivolous) so that when one habeas petition inevitably failed they could simply file successive ones, ad infinitum, and thus forever seek to undo richly deserved sentences or postpone execution in death cases. Further, even these amendments did not actually limit the prisoners to a single federal habeas claim. There are built-in escape hatches for additional challenges if the convicts can show newly discovered facts or newly developed law.

Third, the Schiavo bills — which, it bears noting, Congress failed to pass last night — would not have done anything more than allow a federal court to review the state court proceedings to ensure that there was no deprivation of a cognizable right under the U.S. constitution or federal statutes. —

The facts of the Schiavo case are repugnant. — Notwithstanding the Post’s insistence, it is not clear that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state (merely watching the video footage strongly suggests otherwise, and even the Post’s editorial does not endeavor to defend the manifestly inadequate medical examinations that purport to underpin the PVS diagnosis); nor is there convincing evidence that Terri, when she was stricken at 26 years of age, had even given much thought to whether she’d want to continue living in her current condition, much less expressly asserted that she would not. Still, it is far from obvious that the facts of this case will establish a violation of federal law. If there hasn’t been such a violation, the Schiavo bills being debated would not permit the federal court to reverse the state courts, even if the federal judge disagrees with how the state courts handled the matter.

Finally, as for the alleged inconsistency, there is, of course, no greater iniquity than treating two unequal things as if they were the same. The Washington Post’s editorial board should find another line of work if it cannot discern the difference between, on the one hand, a murderer who stands convicted despite having had had rich resort to various state and federal tribunals — including a jury of his peers — with the advantage of every legal and factual presumption our system can offer, and, on the other hand, an innocent woman who is alive and responsive to stimuli, who has parents ready and willing to care for her, and who is about to be subjected to two weeks of torture — starving and dehydration — that the Washington Post would have a cow over if it were applied, say, to interrogate Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

The right of the innocent to live isn’t contingent on the good will of governments and courts. — It derives from a higher law, as does the obligation to defend it. That there is such a higher law is not just an American principle (see the Declaration of Independence), a conservative principle, or a Judeo-Christian principle. When those defending Terri Schiavo’s right to live reject the state of Florida’s antinomian determination that she may be slowly starved to death, they echo Sophocles’ Antigone, facing down King Creon, across the millennia:

For me it was not Zeus who made that order.
Nor did that Justice who lives with the gods below
mark out such laws to hold among mankind.
Nor did I think your orders were so strong
that you, a mortal man, could over-run
the gods’ unwritten and unfailing laws.
Not now, nor yesterday’s, they always live,
and no one knows their origin in time.
So not through fear of any man’s proud spirit
would I be likely to neglect these laws,
draw on myself the gods’ sure punishment.

If the Post and others cannot see that, our answer must be Antigone’s:

And if you think my acts are foolishness
the foolishness may be in a fool’s eye.

— Andrew C. McCarthy, who led the 1995 terrorism prosecution against Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and eleven others, is a senior fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.
nationalreview.com