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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (159295)	3/18/2005 7:42:57 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

Tehran holds military parades with "Israel must be destroyed" written on the missiles. Should Israel level that playing field too?

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (159295)	3/19/2005 1:02:55 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

This is only fair. Since Israel has nuclear bombs, deliverable by U.S.-made cruise missiles launched from German-built submarines, this just levels the "playing" field.) This line of reasoning is warped. While Israel has refrained from using its nukes, some of the Mad Mullahs specifically want to use the Iranian Bomb on Israel the minute it's ready. Your "level playing field" could be a dangerously radioactive one. By your lights, it would be OK to give OBL a few nuclear bombs and cruise missiles, etc., so he, too, could play on a level field against us. But why stop with OBL? Why not level the playing field for everybody with a political agenda and find out the hard way who does and who doesn't use nukes. Care to live in such a world?

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (159295)	3/20/2005 12:06:37 PM
From: Noel de Leon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Iran/US crisis Background 1953: Shah deposed, Mossedegh installed and then murdered by CIA supported military coup. Shah reinstalled. 1953-1977: Shah modernizes the Iranian society and brutally represses any attempts to change the political system. 1979: Shah deposed, Mullahs take power 1980-1988: Irak-Iran war, US supports Saddam. 1.5 million dead. 1988?-present: US embargo against Iran. Bush calls Iran a member of the axis of evil. Lots of anti Iranian rhetoric. The embargo not withstanding: 1) Iran-China 20 year gas deal for 100 billion$. 2) Iran-India negotiated a gas pipeline through Pakistan even though the US protested. India rejected US demands, Pakistan rejected US demands. 3) The ayatollahs have not changed their course. Iran supports terror actions against American and Israeli interests in Europe and Latin America. Iran develops nuclear facilities. England, France, Germany negotiate with Iran w.r.t. stopping Iran's nuclear weapons program. US tries an offer of WTO membership to get Iran to stop its nuclear weapons program. Remembering that the US did little or nothing to prevent India, Pakistan, or Israel from achieving nuclear WMDs, there is little incentive for Iran to stop trying the same. Ignoring pre 1953 Iranian history one can see that Iran has, for 52 years, built up a deeply rooted suspicion of US Iranian FP. Not entirely unfounded. How to solve this crisis? One has to start somewhere and a good starting point would be a clear(not necessarily public)shift in US Iranian FP towards cooperation on levels that could induce trust instead of mistrust. Iran's mistrust of US FP is what drives Iran's nuclear program.