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To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (28936)	3/19/2005 11:28:45 AM
From: RealMuLan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110194

>>The National Council Against Health Fraud (NCAHF) claims that of the 46 medical journals published by the Chinese Medical Association, not one is devoted to acupuncture or other traditional Chinese medical practices. << LOL. That is because they are looking at a wrong place! In China, the Chinese Medical Association only relates to the practice of the western medicine. TCM has their own Chinese Traditional Medicine Association. And they have little English publication since a lot of TCM is not easy to translate into English or other foreign languages. The medical school is also separated, although many TCM medical school also offer some western medical classes. And what is very popular in China for the last 3-4 decades is to combine the strength of both western medicine and TCM. Plenty of herbal pills Chinese are taking now have some ingredients of the western medicine. And BTW, Chinese have been using acupuncture and other TCM practices for thousands of years, and proved they are working great. Why bother to spend big money to do some modern empirical studies now? For whom? For the Westners? That will be the task for the West since they have much more resources. No, it does not bother China if the West does not believe in the TCM.

To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (28936)	3/19/2005 8:10:37 PM
From: loantech	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110194

Hello darffot, <i've always worked for myself, too. never had any group rates. i am paying a whopping $201 a month now for family coverage, and to find this i didn't have to do anything more intrepid than go to google and type "health insurance".> If you do not mind who is your provider company? What deductible? Do you have dental included? Vision? Much appreciated for your comment. I will need to shop soon and your little statement was an eye opener. Thanks again, Tom

To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (28936)	3/19/2005 10:19:03 PM
From: LLCF	Respond to of 110194

<i've always worked for myself, too. never had any group rates. i am paying a whopping $201 a month now for family coverage, and to find this i didn't have to do anything more intrepid than go to google and type "health insurance".> WEll, if I'd have found that when I lived in Illinios and NY I would have taken it... alas I don't have to worry any more!! <"Traditional Chinese medicine is not based on knowledge of modern physiology, biochemistry, nutrition, anatomy, or any of the known mechanisms of healing.> Yes it is... it's based on thousands of years of study of physiology, nutrition, anatomy and MANY KNOWN mechanisms of healing... Chinese medicine has been painstakingly written down and passed along for thousands of years... what you mean to say is that it {most} hasn't been proven using the scientific method... and therefore {mistakenly by dopes that DONT KNOW Science 101} assumed to be falsified. Those 'quack' sites break the first law of science.. if you can't prove it, it just means it isn't proven it DOES NOT MEAN ITS FALSE! <Nor is it based on knowledge of cell chemistry, blood circulation, nerve function, or the existence of hormones or other biochemical substances.> It's absolutely based on knowlege of blood circulation {which follows the meridian system, based on the knowlege of Qi circulation which isn't even believed to exist in the West yet, although will be proven over the next 5-10 years}. It's also based on properties known to exist in plants and other animals vs human cell function AND ALSO entire ORGAN SYSTEM functions that aren't even understood in the west yet. < The National Council Against Health Fraud (NCAHF) claims that of the 46 medical journals published by the Chinese Medical Association, not one is devoted to acupuncture or other traditional Chinese medical practices.> The CMA is their version of the AMA {based on Western medicine}... so that entire "skeptic" rant is a laugh. <as i explained to tooearly, sanitation was a direct product of the Germ Theory of Disease, i.e., western medicine. it's rather curious that people who readily believe in meridians and other unprovable phenomena think sanitation just fell from the sky.> The link between sanitation and disease is not uniquely 'Western' by any means. That said, the creation of vaccines is obviously a fabulous achievement if not overated. No one said it wasn't. <yeah, right. i guess if the flu pandemic hits we just need to get pricked on the earlobe by an accupuncturist?> See accolades above for vaccines... then pick any number of the disease states in or reaching epidemic proportions in the U.S. RIGHT NOW... {no help}and the lack of Western medicine to deal. THen look at {your example] the upcoming one which, interestingly enough is possibly an omen of things becoming so horrific BECAUSE OF the overuse of anti-biotics and vaccines!! THEN note the supposedly 'scientifically proven' safe and effective {yea that scientific method has a long way to go] drugs that have subsequently been shown dangerous. HOW CAN THAT HAPPEN?? Easy... scientifc proof in medicine isn't what the science wonks wish it was... and it's becoming painstakingly obvious. Finally note what the mindset of problem generation approaching retirement today has wrought: that disease always comes from "outside": "Oh, THEY will cure my problem... someday another big mac please". Also note that efficy of vaccines have several variables... of utmost important is the health of the person using it. <the idea of preventive care is, i think, the best thing about Chinese medicine.> Well, that's the WHOLE THING! We don't have that in the West... last I heard a typical doctor takes maybe ONE course on nutrition. Pretty stupid if you're talking about your health IMO. <West are terrible, and as is well known our poor diets lead to heart disease and many other problems. > Yet BILLIONS of dollars... in fact entire biotech companies revolve around finding a pill to cure the exploding obesity. Pretty stupid system if you ask me. < there's no physical reason the scientific method couldn't be applied to preventive care with great effectiveness.> But it isn't, #1... and #2, it actually IS very limited because of the limited use for systems or multivariable situations. <so, i think what we have is a social disease...> Sure, it's all interrelated... but a body in good balance isn't so anxious and nervous it needs to pig out 5 times a day. We will see many changes over the next 10 years... if we watch and see the truth will follow either way. DAK