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To: Sully- who wrote (8704)3/19/2005 12:52:18 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Death by numbers

Herald Sun
Andrew Bolt
17nov04

A recent claim that 100,000 Iraqis have died since the war in Iraq, mostly at the hands of Americans, is misleading, statistical junk.

JUST days before Americans voted for a president, Britain's Lancet medical journal rushed out a survey with the best bad news from Iraq any activist could want.


The invasion and "occupation" had killed at least 100,000 Iraqis, the survey's authors claimed.

Their toll of the dead in post-Saddam Iraq was stunning – about five times higher than any credible survey or count had found.

What's more, the survey claimed most victims had died violently – usually killed by Americans – "and most individuals reportedly killed by coalition forces were women and children".


The editor of Lancet, Richard Horton, then grabbed this excuse for a political sermon: "Democratic imperialism has led to more deaths, not fewer." Iraq's liberation was "a failure".

The study's lead author, Les Roberts of Baltimore's John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, added: "I was opposed to the war and I still think that the war was a bad idea
."

Yes, he'd been against the war when he thought of doing this survey. He'd also insisted Lancet could only publish its results if it did so just before the US election. Even its authors, it seems, rated this survey highly for its propaganda value.

Sure enough, its savage claim – shorthanded to "Americans killed 100,000 civilians" – became news around the world and is repeated again and again by "anti-war" activists, cartoonists and commentators who've shown no interest in checking if this astonishing figure could indeed be true.


Age columnist Professor Robert Manne, for instance, this week quoted the survey with relish and dismissed its critics by claiming even "the right-of-centre Economist magazine has praised the study unreservedly".

Oh, really? The Economist said the survey was "open to dispute", "not perfect", "subject to imponderables", and "extrapolates heroically from a small number of samples". I guess that's "unreservedly" – if you really, really don't want to hear the facts.

But take a closer look at the Lancet survey and you'll find its claims are unbelievable. Junk. Preposterous.


How could its claim of 100,000 deaths so easily have become the new gospel?

Just ask yourself: Have more than 180 Iraqis, mainly women and children, really died every day, on average, for the past 18 months, usually at the hands of the Americans?

If so, where are all the funerals? Where are the pictures? Where are the news reports from the Iraqi media, or pro-extremist outlets such as al-Jazeera and the BBC? And where are the American soldiers, reeling from the killing of so many children, to tell the TV cameras of their horror?

But few of the commentators who seized on the survey bothered to ask such basic questions, or even to heed Human Rights Watch, which warned: "The numbers seem to be inflated."

Nor did they wonder if it was wise to put their faith in a survey whose authors were so unsure of their results that they had to admit they had 95 per cent confidence that the true death toll from the invasion was only somewhere between 8000 and 194,000.

That's right – the toll could in fact be as low as 8000. Or even lower.


No one can be happy that any innocents have died in Iraq and each death is to be bitterly regretted.

Yet trying to work out the real casualty figures is not just a pitiless haggling over the dead. Surely, in trying to judge whether this liberation was worth the suffering, we must know how much suffering to take into account. We need to know how many lives were lost in liberating Iraq, just as we need to guess as best we can how many we may have saved from Saddam, his successors, his terrorist dependents and his imitators.

And that's why this survey lets us down so badly.

Its researchers interviewed 7868 Iraqis in 988 households in 33 neighbourhoods around Iraq, allegedly chosen randomly, and asked who in the house had died in the 14 months before the invasion and who in the 18 months after.

They then figured out the death rate before the invasion and the (allegedly higher) one after.

They then concluded there had been 100,000 extra Iraqi deaths since the invasion – by applying the difference in the two rates to all Iraq's 24 million people.

But this meant the researchers had to get two things right that they seem instead to have got wrong – the death rates both before and after the invasion.

Why are these figures important? Because a low death rate before the war, and a high one after, would allow the researchers to "prove" the war was costing many thousands of lives.

And bingo. According to the survey, Iraqis before the war were dying at the rate of just five in 1000 people each year. The death rate among infants was around the average for the region – about 29 in 1000.

But what evidence we have tells us these pre-war death rates were actually much higher.
Dated United Nations figures suggest the overall death rate was well over seven in every 1000 – or close to, if not higher than, the present rate of 7.9 in every 1000 that the Lancet survey suggests.

But even more persuasive are 2002 figures from UNICEF, which in a much bigger survey of 24,000 households found the infant mortality rate in Iraq before the war was actually a tragic 108 deaths per 1000 infants.

This is more than three times higher than the Lancet survey claims was the case – and double what even the survey claims is the infant mortality rate today.


How could the anti-war activists forget? Remember, before the war, anti-American propagandists such as John Pilger denouncing this "genocide" of Iraqi children and blaming it on the United Nations sanctions demanded by those evil Americans?

We know now, in fact, that Saddam Hussein, with the help of corrupt officials in the UN, France, Russia and China, had stolen more than $US20 billion of oil money meant to feed his people and pay for their medicines, and malnutrition in his shattered economy was rife.

All that, thank God, has changed for the better since the liberation. The best figures – including statistics from the Iraqi Health Ministry – suggest many thousands of Iraq's children are in fact alive today who'd have died under Saddam.

The Lancet survey seems just as shaky in calculating Iraq's present death toll.

It interviewed some 240 people in Fallujah before the recent fighting there, and worked out that these 30 households had lost 52 dead due to violence, mostly women and children killed by the Americans.

The researchers did not ask for proof of the children's deaths and admit they were reluctant to ask for proof of all the adults' deaths, either
, "because this might have implied that they did not believe the respondents, perhaps triggering violence". Were the Iraqis likewise scared to tell the truth?

So was that figure – of some 240 people losing 52 dead – credible as a sample of Fallujah's death rate?

Put it this way. Fallujah is a city of about 285,000 people.

If the Lancet survey of its residents is right and one in six people have been killed since the invasion, then nearly 50,000 residents died violently even before this month's fighting.

If we assume that the American casualty rates of seven wounded for one dead apply to civilians, too, then more people have been killed and wounded in Fallujah than actually live there.

So where are the mass graves? Why didn't Fallujah empty months ago, as the survivors fled the utter carnage? How is it that the Americans could kill a sixth of its people through aerial bombing, and wound the rest, yet leave most of the houses untouched?


Truly, these statistics are unbelievable. I suspect the study's authors thought so, too, which may be why they left the Fallujah figures out – calling them unrepresentative – when they calculated Iraq's death toll since the invasion.

But the survey techniques they used to give clearly wrong figures in Fallujah are the same ones they used in the other 32 clusters of households that they interviewed elsewhere in Iraq.

Did they give any better information?

In fact, the Iraqis in the remaining clusters came up with just 21 violent deaths between them – only two of women, and four of children. These deaths, if true, are the ones that the survey used to calculate a death rate that had them claiming at least 100,000 other Iraqis also died because of the war.

Note how terribly small this sample is and how easy to manipulate, accidentally or not, to produce wildly differing results.

Note that most of these dead are not women and children, nor necessarily civilians. The gloating headlines this survey has inspired of a massacre of the innocents in Iraq, with Americans to blame, are almost all wild guesses and almost all certainly wrong.

But saying all this won't make much difference. Too many commentators seem too desperate to believe the worst of the Americans and to belittle the liberation of Iraqis from a tyrant.

That desperation means even junk surveys such as this will find many eager believers, ready to hear the very worst. And to recklessly repeat it.


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To: Sully- who wrote (8704)3/19/2005 12:59:27 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (8) | Respond to of 35834
 
The Lancet: A Casualty of Politics

Little Green Footballs

Britain’s medical journal Lancet rushed a report to print in the final days leading up to the US election, claiming that there have been 100,000 civilian casualties in Iraq, half of them women and children. Oddly enough, this figure is almost ten times the already inflated estimates at the moonbat site IraqBodyCount.com.

At Tech Central Station, Tim Worstall points out that the methodology of this report is absolutely rotten to the core: The Lancet: A Casualty of Politics. (Hat tip: Baikal.)

The Lancet admits they rushed the report into print, but deny that it has anything to do with the election. Yeah, right.

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More than a piece of academic investigation? Really? Are we sure? We don’t think that publishing this, in fact fast-tracking it (A more normal “academic” paper would take up to six months to wend its way through the peer-review process and the raw data for this was only collected six and seven weeks ago.) has anything at all to do with an election in the US some four days away? Good grief man, what do you take us for, morons?

At the very least one would have to add The Lancet to that list of mainstream media which are worth 15% (or is it 5% now, the left have never really been any good at numbers) to John Kerry in the polls. What makes it a great deal worse is this, from the findings to the report. In fact, these are the findings in their totality:

“The risk of death was estimated to be 2.5-fold (95% CI 1.6-4.2) higher after the invasion when compared with the preinvasion period. Two-thirds of all violent deaths were reported in one cluster in the city of Falluja. If we exclude the Falluja data, the risk of death is 1.5-fold (1.1-2.3) higher after the invasion. We estimate that 98 000 more deaths than expected (8000-194 000) happened after the invasion outside of Falluja and far more if the outlier Falluja cluster is included. The major causes of death before the invasion were myocardial infarction, cerebrovascular accidents, and other chronic disorders whereas after the invasion violence was the primary cause of death. Violent deaths were widespread, reported in 15 of 33 clusters, and were mainly attributed to coalition forces. Most individuals reportedly killed by coalition forces were women and children. The risk of death from violence in the period after the invasion was 58 times higher (95% CI 8.1-419) than in the period before the war.”

Have a look at those confidence levels. Yup, 95%. That is, a one in twenty chance that the effect simply does not exist. Look at the relative risk ratios (leave out Falluja; I don’t think anyone is really very surprised to see a higher mortality rate there): 1.1-2.3. It isn’t just that it is an absurdly wide one (note, a relative risk ratio of 1 would mean no effect whatsoever) it is that if this paper was written to generally accepted statistical standards it would never have been published. With a 95% confidence level a relative risk ratio of anything less than three is regarded as statistically insignificant. Just to clarify that, by “insignificant” no one is stating that it is not important to those people who undoubtedly have been killed during the War. What is being said is that we don’t have enough information to be able to say anything meaningful about it. “Statistically insignificant” means “we don’t know”.

In effect, what has been found in this paper is nothing. Nada. Zip.

Except of course that one of the two leading medical journals in the world has published a piece of shoddy research four days before the US elections with the obvious motive of influencing them. Sad, that, and my apologies as an Englishman that it should be one of my countrymen who did such a thing.
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To: Sully- who wrote (8704)3/20/2005 12:43:22 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
That Lancet Study! The one about 100,000 dead Iraqis

The Age of Unreason

The Blogosphere is abuzz today about the Lancet study claiming that 100,000 Iraqis have been killed since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

instapundit has a long and growing post on the subject. This blogstorm was initiated by this Slate article debunking the original study.
slate.msn.com

I have three comments to make about this.

Firstly the use of a scientific publication to make POLITICAL POINTS is reprehensible. This Lancet study was published just before the American Presidential Election and was clearly an attempt to make President Bush look bad just before he faced the electorate. Scientific Journals should be vehicles for publishing research and discussions on the nature of the natural world we inhabit and not ever be used to push a political (or any other ) agenda.


Agenda driven science threatens to undermine the scientific process that has proved so useful in advancing human knowledge and welfare over the past two centuries or so.

Secondly it has been noted that this study was based upon a 'Random Cluster' design and according to the Slate article
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One of the 33 clusters they selected happened to be in Fallujah, one of the most heavily bombed and shelled cities in all Iraq. Was it legitimate to extrapolate from a sample that included such an extreme case? More awkward yet, it turned out, two-thirds of all the violent deaths that the team recorded took place in the Fallujah cluster. They settled the dilemma by issuing two sets of figures—one with Fallujah, the other without. The estimate of 98,000 deaths is the extrapolation from the set that does not include Fallujah. What's the extrapolation for the set that does include Fallujah? They don't exactly say. Fallujah was nearly unique; it's impossible to figure out how to extrapolate from it. A question does arise, though: Is this difficulty a result of some peculiarity about the fighting in Fallujah? Or is it a result of some peculiarity in the survey's methodology?
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Now I haven't read the Lancet article, something I fully intend to do, but if they didn't know how to handle the Fulluja cluster, as stated in the Slate article then they clearly have NO EXPERTISE in Sample Design. There is well established methodology for designing, selecting participants and analyzing the data collected data from Cluster Samples.

I don't want to get technical but under this methodology Fulluja should have been included!

The original Sample Design should have ensured that it was selected because it was known to be atypical! The original sample design would have accounted for the fact that the Falluja cluster was an atypical cluster and the analysis of the results would reflect this. There are sound and well established mathematical techniques to accomplish this.

Thirdly a bane of all sample surveys is the item called in the literature "Non Sampling error". One major source of non sampling error in surveys which collect responses from people is that people do not always tell the truth.


Famously surveys on how many cigarettes people smoke daily show far fewer cigarettes smoked than are known to be sold. Survey respondents typically understate the number of cigarettes they smoke daily, they are embarrassed to admit the truth, they may even be lying to themselves.

As I understand the Lancet survey, interviewers went to selected households and asked about family deaths in the period between the invasion of Iraq and the day of the interview. To say none (as most people probably did) is kind of boring so some respondents would be tempted to invent a dead relative. If the interviewee had an anti American agenda, as some surely did the temptation to lie would be even greater.

All in all I don't think this famous Lancet Paper is worth the paper it is written on but I shall definitely read it and if I change my mind I will be sure to tell all.

UPDATE:
Welcome to all Instapundit Readers.

I have now obtained the Original paper and will work my way through it. This is not an armchair exercise but is something that requires a desk, paper, pencils, calculator and reference books not to mention possible trips to the library. If the Slate article is way off beam I will be sure to let you all know.

posted by Andrei

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To: Sully- who wrote (8704)3/20/2005 2:01:01 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
The stark calculus of war

Wizbang
By Jay Tea on War On Terror

Last night, I got into a discussion with a liberal talk-show host about the war in Iraq. That conversation provided enough grist for several postings, but I'm going to focus on one point he made -- and one a lot of opponents of the war have been making this weekend, as we note the second anniversary of the invasion of Iraq.

The big theme yesterday was "over 100,000 Iraqis and 1,500 Americans killed." Slate magazine already did such a thorough debunking of that first number here that anything else I could add would be utterly redundant. Instead, I'm going to look at that second number.

Before I begin, however, I'm going to say something that is obvious to regular Wizbang readers, but might head off the cherry-picking of this piece by critics. A single death of an American is a tragedy, and over 1500 is a tragedy writ large. Every single death is a terrible price to pay, and I grieve with and honor the families of those whose loved ones have paid that price.

But let's step back for a moment and look at the big picture. Over 1500 Americans killed in two years. Let's call it 1536 for convenience, for a bit of mathematical simplicity.

Breaking that number down, it works out just a fraction over 2.1 per day, or 64 deaths each month. How does that compare to previous conflicts the United States has been involved in?

Thanks to the work of Al Nofi of the United States Civil War Center, posted here
(http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/cwc/other/stats/warcost.htm),
we see the cost of each of the major wars in United States history. The lowest deaths per month average was during the Revolutionary War, where we lost 55 per month. The highest was in the Korean War, when soldiers died at the rate of 6,639 per month. And during the Civil War, when every soldier killed was an American, the combined Union and Confederate losses were 3,846 per month.

The Iraq war is a very close second in the lowest. And the average of all 13 conflicts (the 12 cited by Nofi and the Iraq war) is 1,470 per month.

Yes, the war in Iraq is brutal. And yes, every death is a tragedy. But we must not let that detract from the inescapable fact that it is a war we are winning, and winning decisively. The tactics of our enemies are the tactics of desperation, much like the kamikaze pilots of World War II Japan. And wars are most often the bloodiest and most horrifying nearest the end.

We are in the endgame of the war in Iraq, and we must not snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

J.

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To: Sully- who wrote (8704)5/14/2005 4:25:11 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 35834
 
Remember the bogus Lancet study put out a week before the
election las year? They falsely claimed that our military was
mostly responsible for the slaughter of 100,000 innocent
Iraqis, mostly women & children. Even though this study was
quickly & thoroughly debunked by experts, the MSM made this
bogus study front page news & asserted it as fact.

Many libs still cite this discredited study as their holy
grail that proves Bush is worse than Saddam.

Well, the UN (no friend of the US) has done a more thorough
study. It has not been vetted yet. The numbers, which include
at least another 6 months since Saddam was deposed, shows the
Lancet study was complete crap.

The UN's numbers cite that all deaths from the invasion & its
aftermath are around 24,000. And that includes those killed
by Iraqi forces, terrorists & Saddam's dead enders. The
Lancet study laid most of the deaths on our military.

Will the MSM prominently make corrections to their previously
false & misleading assertions? Will lib's still cite the
Lancet study & ignore the UN study? Wanna bet lib's claim the
UN study is flawed?

TWT

IRAQ'S DEAD COUNTED

Tim Blair

Researchers surveyed 808 households for a study published last year by The Lancet which concluded that as many as 100,000 “excess deaths” had occurred in Iraq since liberation.

The UN has now released a survey of more than 21,600 households:

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The invasion of Iraq and its aftermath caused the deaths of 24,000 Iraqis, including many children, according to the most detailed survey yet of postwar life in the country
.

The UN report paints a picture of modern Iraq brought close to collapse despite its oil wealth. Successive wars, a decade of sanctions and the current violence have destroyed services, undermined health and education and made the lives of ordinary Iraqis dangerous and miserable.

The survey for the UN Development Programme, entitled Iraq Living Conditions Survey 2004, questioned more than 21,600 households this time last year. Its findings, released by the Ministry of Planning yesterday, could finally resolve the debate over how many Iraqis were killed in the war that overthrew the regime of Saddam Hussein in April 2003.

The 370-page report said that it was 95 per cent confident that the toll during the war and the first year of occupation was 24,000, but could have been between 18,000 and 29,000.
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According to CNN, the UN survey was conducted throughout all of Iraq’s 18 provinces (the Lancet study examined 11). Also from CNN:

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Iraq’s unemployment rate was 10.5 percent of a population of 27 million people, the report found.
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That figure blows out to 18.4 percent when workers not looking for a job are included; the number of unemployed seeking work, however, compares reasonably well with data from France (unemployment: 9.4 percent).

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While there has been progress since Saddam Hussein’s fall, “these data depict a very tragic picture of the quality of life,” Iraqi transitional Planning Minister Barham Salih said.

Salih said the mismanagement of Saddam’s government and his regime’s internal conflicts and those with its neighbors took a toll that spared no sector of the country’s infrastructure.

"Saddam Hussein has left us a wasteland,” Salih said. “This country could have been the economic powerhouse of the Middle East."

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And might well become so, in time, now that Saddam is gone and his sons are dead.

(Via Scott Campbell and Alan R.M. Jones)

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