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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (159384)	3/21/2005 3:46:12 PM
From: Orcastraiter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

In short, you are for military threats, just so long as the threat is empty. Once again, you manufacture my argument to your liking. I never said these words. They are your creation. How simple it must be to argue with yourself? The build up of troops inspired Saddam to reopen the country to inspections. If Saddam thought Bush was bluffing, they why did he comply? I do believe in speaking softly and carrying a big stick. And when needed using that big stick. Bush was premature in the development of the situation in Iraq. Patience is a virtue. Bush is not a patient man, as many around him have noted. His lack of patience has cost the lives of many people. Orca

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (159384)	3/21/2005 11:51:50 PM
From: Orcastraiter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Ok..I have time to discuss the rest of your post. Yes, yes and yes. What do you think Zarqawi and Abu Nidal were doing in Baghdad, vacationing? Why was there a Boeing 707 at Salman Pak? The Iraqis tried to explain it was for counter-terrorism, but the UN inspectors didn't buy that idea. I did not read these things from 'right-wing nutjobs' but from David Kay and Ken Pollack, and others on the UNMOVIC team. Zarqawi, the evil Zarqawi. Yes a bad man by all accounts. But he came to Iraq only recently. He had a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan. Apparently lost his leg in a US shelling of the camp. He fled to Iraq, where he was in the Kurdish north away from Saddam. Apparently he was not associated with bin Laden, and less a buddy of Saddam. Yes he is in Iraq now and has become active in the baghdad area following the US invasion. weeklystandard.com news.bbc.co.uk Conclusion: Zarqawi is a terrorist, but runs his own show. The relation to Saddam or even bin Laden is sketchy at best, especially in the run up to the invasion. Abu Nidal: Another bad actor. Spent time all over the middle east. Aged and sick he came to Iraq sometime after around 2002. He entered Iraq illegally and reportedly committed suicide when discovered. HISTORY 1937: Born in Jaffa. 1948: Banna's family flees to a refugee camp on the Gaza Strip, later they move to Nablus on the West Bank. 1955: Banna joins the Ba'th party of Jordan. 1957: When the Ba'th party gets suppressed, Banna moves to Saudi Arabia and becomes secret member of Al Fatah. 1969: Banna is selected Al Fatah's representative in Sudan. 1970: Banna is sent to Baghdad as Al Fatah's representative, where he is strongly influenced by Iraqi political views. 1974: Banna is expelled from Al Fatah, after criticising Al Fatah's establishment of a national authority for a liberated Palestine. Banna responds with building his own group, called Fatah Revolutionary Council, which receives funds from Iraq. Banna uses Baghdad as his base. November: Al Fatah accuses Banna of murder plots, and sentences him to death. 1983: Abu Nidal is thrown out of Baghdad, as Iraq needs US support in the war against Iran. Abu Nidal moves to Syria, where he starts to cooperate with the government. 1985: Abu Nidal is employed to hinder an agreement between Jordan, Israel and the PLO. — Abu Nidal's troops are used to attack international airlines, in Vienna and Rome, and a Pan-Am flight is hijacked in Karachi. 1986 September: After Western accusations of Syrian participation in international terrorism, Abu Nidal's training camps here are closed down. Abu Nidal is since then believed to have moved to Libya. 1991: One of PLO's highest officers, Salah Khalaf, is killed in Tunis by attack of Abu Nidal's men. 2002 August: Dies in Baghdad, Iraq under circumstances that quickly become questioned. Iraqi authorities claim that he had entered Iraq illegally, and when discovered by officials, he shot himself. Conclusion: No demonstrated tie to Saddam. Why was there a Boeing 707 at Salman Pak? According to the CIA it was used by anti terror forces of the Fedayeen Saddam. No verification of stories promulgated by the INC informants of training Al Qaeda. CIA says not likely that INC informant was truthful. None the less these kind of lies hit the echo chamber called the internet and take on a life of their own. Cross examination by the CIA found that stories changed, from the amount of time the informant stayed at Salman Pak to the type of Fuselage it was alternately a B 707 or a Russian made plane. howardlabs.com mediamatters.org Conclusion: No evidence that Salman Pak was used to train Al Qaeda operatives for 9-11 or any other operation. Once again the internet echo chamber remembers and regurgitates lies. No Saddam Al Qaeda connection shown. You have any links that show David Kay and Ken Pollack talking about Salman Pak? I couldn't find much, and don't think that either of these guys had any real intel on what Salman Pak was used for. Our intelligence said that it was counter terrorist operations. The only story that said Al Qaeda related training facility was linked to INC connected folks. As we all know now...these guys were responsible for a lot of BS...too bad they had the ear of the Bush administration. Conclusion: Bunch of Rushlimbaughvian horse manure. Orca