To: redfish who wrote (99083 ) 3/21/2005 4:03:56 PM From: epicure Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807 But everyone doesn't know they have other options. I work with lower middle class kids who often don't know what their options are- imagine how much worse it is for kids in the worst places in America. You cannot look at a person riddled with gunshot wounds and say "You've just got to heal yourself". Community involvement is good, and imo should be fostered, but we need to intervene TO foster such things in these communities. There are good people in place, and some people even trying to change things- but they don't have the resources or support they need, I think that is indisputable. I doubt you have read Jonathan Kozol. Please read Savage Inequalities: Children in America's Schools- and then tell me some intervention wouldn't make a difference. And her is a cri de coeur from an inner city teacher- pretty much says it all for me: Reviewer: Jessica A Roberts (Chicago, IL United States) - See all my reviews I have been reading several reviews of books by Jonathan Kozol and I am disappointed. For starters, everyone seems to be blaming minority mothers for their "out of control baby making." I think the point of his books have been missed. Kozol is always looking at how societal ills effect children. He is not apologizing for families that are larger than can be afforded - he is sympathizing with the children that are born to them. He is sympathizing (better word empathizing) with the children who attend horrible run down schools and like in welfare hotels. As a public school teacher in Chicago, his revelations are very real. We do teach in terrible buildings. We do have homeless children. Would I ever think to point the blame at them? Am I pleased with the choices their parents have made? Not always, but I am also not the one to judge -- I am there to teach their children. As for all of the people who suggest all "these people" need to do is get up off their couches and get a job: I would like to know if you would be willing to hire these people with substandard educations and possibly no permanent residence. Middle and upper class America is quick to condem those without work, but also the last group of people to provide employment to those in most need. Before condeming the people in these situations, I firmly believe we all need to take a hard look at ourselves.