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To: Slagle who wrote (61241)	3/22/2005 6:25:36 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi Slagle, It's nice to make your acquaintance. Thanks for the very interesting history of the Kennedy clan. Most of what you've written seems to be accurate. There's perhaps a couple of things I'd quibble about. In resolving the Cuban missile crisis, Kennedy did not unilaterally stand down Castro and Kruschev. There was a quid pro quo with U.S. nuclear-tipped missiles removed from Turkey in exchange for the removal of Soviet missiles from Cuba. This fact has been suppressed by the American media. In regards to Viet Nam, Kennedy may have escalated the involvement of military "advisors" in the field there, however, the U.S. had been involved since the late 1940s, first by providing war materiel and other support to the French until their defeat at Dienbienphu in 1954, en.wikipedia.org and then immediately continuing on with covert operations run by the C.I.A. leading to the eventual involvement of the military. A fine history of this era was written in the novel, "The Quiet American" by Graham Greene which has recently been made into a very handsome and thoughtful movie by the same title. * Re: And who knows, there may be untold millions alive today in SE Asia today who owe their very lives Kennedy's war, the blood we shed there preventing the outbreak of similar murderous Red Revolutions in the other countries of the reigon. This speculation seems more based on hope than reality. :) Because the fact of the matter is that Pol Pot's rise to power and the subsequent madness to descend on Cambodia probably only arose because the U.S. had done so much to destabilize the region. And Americans are really basically ignorant and prejudiced against movements for national freedom. In the case of Viet Nam, Ho Chi Minh wrote a very eloquent letter to President Harry Truman in 1947 describing Ho's great admiration for America and especially the Founding Fathers. Ho was attempting to throw off an oppressive colonial occupation by the French, and felt that Truman could be a valuable ally, since the rhetoric of national liberation and democracy was just as hypocritically tossed off by American politicians in that era as is the case today. Of course Truman decided for racially motivated reasons that he didn't want anything to do with a little Asian like Ho Chi Minh when there were deals to be cut with the French colonialists, whom we immediately sided with in their effort to regain their status as uncompromising masters after the defeat of the Japanese in 1945. The movie "Indochine" is a lovely and evocative story of this era of the fading of French influence in South East Asia. I highly recommend this one: imdb.com * Re: Kennedy really did start the Vietnam War and I think with the very best of motives, though poorly executed. We will agree to disagree. My research indicates that the illegal invasion of Viet Nam by the U.S. military was a sinister plan concocted in the dark heart of the military-industrial complex which saw three key natural resources to be exploited, i.e rubber, tin and oil. In fact, recently declassified State Department correspondence makes it abundantly clear that the "domino theory" of the 1960s was just as much a deceit as the recent "WMD" lies of the Bush criminal cabal. Good sources on the nature of the planning by the military include "The Pentagon Papers" by Daniel Ellsberg and "Deep Politics and the Death of JFK" by Peter Dale Scott: tinyurl.com As will be abundantly clear, the real escalation in Vietnam occurred after the Kennedy assassination. I have seen some speculative reports that Kennedy signed a classified Executive Order dated October, 1963 scheduling the withdrawl of U.S. miltitary advisors from Viet Nam and that this is very likely to have been a precipitating event in the planning of the assassination. This is a subject I'd like to get some more definitive proof on. However, the main point is that Kennedy was trying to rein in the military and the CIA which so disasterously embarrassed Kennedy in the Bay of Pigs fiasco. And the military technocrats and elites perpetrated a coup d'etat so that they could put their plan for a war in Southeast Asia into effect. *** Further reading: "JFK: The Cia, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy" --by L. Fletcher Prouty, Oliver Stone tinyurl.com