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To: shades who wrote (28571)	3/23/2005 5:08:32 AM
From: Amy J	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 306849

OT RE: "Why do so many find my jest so offensive?" Because it's rude, near-sighted, and your assumption is sexually biased. In more advanced countries, they pay couples $5,000 cash in order to enable couples to have children, and because they realize caring for children is not the sole responsibility of the female, but in fact a shared duty between both the male and female. In yet other advanced countries they give one month of paid 24-hour nanny-nurse services when a baby is born. In our country, we basically have some people saying things like this: "do as god commanded" and "women" should do "homemaking" Good grief. No wonder this country uses immigration to grow the population in the USA. Amy J

To: shades who wrote (28571)	3/23/2005 10:35:02 AM
From: GraceZ	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 306849

**OT** I told him he should have taught her to listen to her Bible when the lord said go forth and multiply, instead she chose to reject the gift of impregnation I was so willing to give and do as god commanded I was raised Catholic and very religious. I can't remember a time when I didn't want to have children. My husband, whom I love deeply, the one I promised to love honor and obey, didn't want any, under any circumstance. So what would the Bible tell me to do in that situation? Do they address the man's obligation to help me to fulfill mine? BTW I seriously doubt your inability to gain access to breeding age females has much to do with them not reading the Bible. Faced with your advances, I'd be tempted to plead a lifetime devotion to celibacy.

To: shades who wrote (28571)	3/23/2005 11:12:33 AM
From: Jill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

Tampa must be different than NYC. Almost every woman I know waited until mid-late thirties to have their kids, after having firmly established their careers, and it worked for them. Some even waited until their early 40's and pulled it off. And they're much better parents for having waited I think. They know who they are, are more contented with themselves as most people are very anxious and insecure in their 20's; they were able to continue their work in different ways and can pick it up again as their kids get absorbed in school. They are attentive parents--in fact the only problem I see is that there is too much pressure on parents at least in this neck of the woods to schedule absolutely every possible benefit for their kids--art, chess, travel, etc--help them to be superbly well rounded at everything. There's a lot of pressure to have the best and the brightest. Men should wait, too, I think. They can even wait longer and pull it off. I know a few guys who had their first kid at age 50. These guys were stellar at their careers. Since they don't have a biological clock they can become parents when they choose. And they're loving it.