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Self-interest, or rather self-love, or egoism, has been more plausibly substituted as the basis of morality. But I consider our relations with others as constituting the boundaries of morality. With ourselves, we stand on the ground of identity, not of relation, which last, requiring two subjects, excludes self-love confined to a single one. To ourselves, in strict language, we can owe no duties, obligation requiring also two parties. Self-love, therefore, is no part of morality. Indeed, it is exactly its counterpart.
Letter to Thomas Law (1814)
I had decided initially to let this go - but I am only human and after 2 attacks by you I am going to try to engage in the battle of wits with the unprepared - I turned the other cheek and now they are both red so let the games begin: Your foolish philosophy is damaging the people that buy that crap without some OBJECTIVE counters.
"you are wasting your time on Neanderthals... (UH, UH, YOU JANE ME TARZAN --ME MAKE WAR... ALL OTHER TRIBES NO GOOD... ME DRIVE NASCAR....[but only north of Talladega]; UH, UH, YOU MAKE BABIES)"
Yes funny of my 2 friends that preach randian individual selfishness to thier children and then complain when their government takes away thier benefits because of demogrpahic sustainability problems - what idiots indeed to believe rand
as if the world needed MORE people...
Hell it needs less right - let the bird flu kill off a cool 2 billion huh? As long as it is those poor 2 billion in the india's untouchables and africas tribes Mr. Nietzche - so that you and Rand can debate back and forth as the last 2 remaining souls on the planet - what was that star trek episode - let that be your last battlefield - just the one half white and half black left huh? - I enjoy new people coming to this board and to this world - go watch some spock trekkie - IDIC - look it up. The more the merrier - greater economic output and specialization required greater human capital or were all my economic professors wrong and my religious teachers in error when trying to understand why god needed to create anything or anyone - he already had perfection by himself didn't he Ayn?
they are suggesting that in western countries the reason for their downfall is lack of population growth? -lol
I suggest you watch more c-span - read more economic journals by educated specialists and quit sucking on the rand tit while she blows up beneficial people and organizations to serve her selfish needs -
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4.3 Did Rand have any children?
No. Barbara Branden described Rand's attitude towards having children thusly:
It was a responsibility that she was not interested in assuming. When she was writing Atlas [Shrugged], she would sometimes say that she was "with book." The only children she wanted were her books
Her stupidity was not survivable - books can't pass on knowledge to intelligent beings currently without human capital - The Matrix isn't here yet Neo - educate yourself:
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Different selection criteria
When memetic and genetic fitness criteria are inconsistent, the different implicit objectives of memes and genes will lead to a direct competition for control of the carrier's behavior. Both replicators have similar aims to the degree that they use the same vehicles: individual organisms. Everything that strengthens the vehicles should in general be good for the replicators, and hence both genes and memes should be selected on the basis of their support for increased survivability and reproducability of their carriers. However, the implicit goals of genes and memes are different to the degree that they use different mechanisms for spreading from one vehicle to another one. Memes will be positively selected mainly for increased communicability. Genes will be selected mainly for sexual reproducability. These different emphases may lead to direct conflicts.
For example, priests in many religions are prohibited to marry and to have children, in striking disagreement with genetic injunctions. Yet we can easily imagine that the religious meme of celibacy would have been selected because unmarried priests can spend more time and energy on "spreading the word", and hence replicating the meme.
An even more vivid example of countergenetic behavior, closely related to the issue of altruism, is that of martyrs, suicide teams, or kamikaze pilots, who are willing to give up their life in order to promote the spread of a meme: a religion, an ideology or a nation (i.e. a group defined by a common culture or ideology). In that case, the loss of one or a few carriers is compensated by the increased chances of survival for the other carriers or for the meme itself. For example, the suicide of an individual may attract the attention of other individuals to the meme he is carrying, and thus facilitate its spreading. A well-known example is Jan Palach, the Czech student who put himself to fire in order
An ideaology whose members --
(like the shakers religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu
...Between this decline in attraction and the society's inability to create a new generation of believers, the communities steadily declined and disbanded...)
-- don't reproduce HUMAN capital that is needed to sustain it probably will not live in the REAL natural world Ayn.
they cannot see what it is simple to see.
brother please remove the plank from your eye before plucking the splinter of mine - the world is complicated and complex and your trite theories of what is simple in an effort to whittle down the conundrums to something your mind can get around while maybe efficient for you - is only a VIRTUAL grasp of the TRUE reality and chaos you see.
and that is people are not willing to execute real work,
BWAHAHA! PEOPLE mrs Rand? The ones you never would BREED - PEOPLE to do WORK? You mean your BOOKS that are your CHILDREN won't get up and farm that damn field for grandpa so he can eat! BWAHAhAHA! BWAHAHAHAHA! Tears streaming down my eyes from laughter - BWAHAHAHHA! It was your chemist father WORKING to feed your selfish c*** ass as a little bowling ball and not your books FEEDING your body? You can't live by bread alone - but you can't live without it either Mrs. Rand. You must nourish MIND AND BODY - ancient chinese saying
they are expecting a combination of: a) corporations, or b) government, or c) bubble-manias provide for their "retirement"
the children are our future you - books aren't gonna put food on the table when you get old - that takes HUMAN CAPITAL in this reality
born, indoctrinate, work for big mama corp. [or big daddy
BORN? BWAHAHA! BY WHO mrs. Rand - YOU? I think not!! By your books? BWAHAHA! STop it, you are killing me BWAHAHAHA! My guts are hurting worse than a bowling ball passing through them - BWAHHAHAHAHA - stop it!!!
gov.], drift away life, retire, more drift away -rest of life-
die... what a waste....
What a waste indeed - lets just stop having KIDS mrs. Rand and give birth to BOOKS - and then our CULTURE of LIFE will have the last woman in the world reading the collected works of all humanity - what a great way to spend eternity alone
the third world population is not growing it is EXPLODING,
I already provided charts that it HAS exploded and that BOOM is over, NEVER to come again - I contend it would have been better to have the expansion in developed nations than undeveloped ones - and for americans specifically here than in mexico or africa - but when given shit - make a shit sandwich and be happy - economic expansion and specialization can only stretch so far - human capital is one of the limits - we are not a united federation of planets - we can't have a world specialized in genetics and one in memetics or one in quantum physics and one in speaker production when growth is limited to one planet
hence the outlook for cheap labor only gets better by the day, AND southeast asia and Latin-American markets continue to grow, which one of these days, if not for quality, but sheer volume of consumers those markets will be more attractive than the entire western world put together.
as their human capital is financially and educationally brought up to par - yes indeed - they will be running the show - a la blade runner. But you westerners complain oh my GOD - the end is near - and it is because of your low human capital - yet you want to preach to me about RAND and her BOOKS and not her CHILDREN - huh????
unions and individuals are hoping for an 'economic recovery' that will provide better wages and more jobs???
mises had a lot to say about the subject - america is doomed - perhaps if americans had 5 children families our HUMAN CAPITAL could have remained competitive Mrs. Rand - but those bowling balls hurt and ruin your figure and its much better to write and read books than BREED - screw the future, ME ME ME
the hispanic segment will do its share (LOL... poetic justice or what ?? "put the "J" back in Texas" -lmao)
Yah the mexican that lives next door in the trailer to me didn't read a lot of AYN and how having BOOKS as your children makes the food on the table, my grandfather either - in fact he was illiterate - he knew that 8 kids could work a field though and he ate good until he died in his 90's from his kids helping him out - not books! He never asked or expected the nieghbors kids to feed him
clearly... MORE population is not the answer, it is an
clearly you are confused and MORE population in America by americans would have been better for them than deciding bowling balls hurt and now suffering the coming economic, political, and social strains integrating the 3rd world people with 1st world systems is gonna bring. Gangs of New York for how this played out in centuries past. I read citizens going down to the mexico border with guns to stop the influx vigilante style - how wonderful
idiotic conclusion only born in the religious rot that it
Go breed some more books Rand - your movement is dying and not survivable in the 3rd world that can't read and have kids so they will be taken care of by the community as they age - if china tried to manage 1 billion plus from Rands philosophies - this world would have already ended - no man is an island and yes EVEN YOU mrs rand were a bowling ball to someone elses guts - a responsibility you selfishly felt not worth carrying on - good for the individual - how sad your mother didn't make that choice Mrs. Rand
to compete head to head with the muslim world, which, btw, its population IS growing far faster than the countries that subscribe to 'western civilization' religions.
Hmmm, our women stop having bowling balls because of Western RELIGION? HUH - you are confused - it is their REJECTION of religion Mrs Rand that has caused them to stop having babies, russian women stop having bowling balls - both nations in decline - we try to bring RAND philosophy over to thier countries and they start chopping off HEADS - maybe they don't feel what is good for the individual is best for society - maybe they don't feel BREEDING BOOKS is better than BREEDING future econominc output units
no wonder the usa invaded iraq [which to this day, they can't find the so called WMD]... and so long we have religious fanatics at the top, the middle east will be a major headquarter for the us military...
worship of oil and natural needs in the true reality of energy and food is why we are in iraq - not to let jehovah battle allah - they use ideologies to cater to the masses - come on - you are smarter than to think we are there for just SPIRITUAL difference?
[it does not matter that the example of palestinia and israel plainly demonstrate that fighting with these terrorists is a lost cause and you will be there fighting until we manage to nuke the entire planet...]
we will be there fighting while there is still black gold in those hills - we wouldn't be there now if there wasn't - come on
oh yes... but we are going to show them who is the real god... ----> major LOL
I give up - you need to read more noam chomsky if you believe we are REALLY over there because of religious differences - the real god is oil and the next time you eat, sleep, drive, or do any of the other myriad things in your life Mrs. Rand - yes even read your book by your bedroom lights - praise your lord CH3CH2CH3 - daddy was a chemist wasn't he Rand?
not to mention... that their fashionable dark ages mentality reduces women to being; pregnant, barefooted and in the kitchen... very avantgard indeed...
Bush has given women more roles of power recently than any radical muslim I have seen - you are such a hypocrite - in one breath you say it is stupid western religion and them keeping women pregnant that is our failure - in the next breath you say it is third world population growth and muslim population growth that is thier succes - make up your mind - are you a confused woman XYZ - you are starting to sound like one to me
how disgusting.... it literarily makes me ill and this, coming form supposedly 'a first world country’?
How long til we see the Thatcher counterpart in the radical muslim world Mrs. Rand? What a hypocrite.
they talk about stopping immigration with means similar to the red army installing walls, moats & crocodiles, and border patrols to fend-off masses of people whose only motivation is hard work ?
the bushes I see speak fluent spanish and would never do any of the actions you theorize - but I guess all those spanish names in cabinet positions - guiterrez, gonzales, martinez etc etc show that bush is going to start the moat digging tomorrow eh?
why not use one's imagination and create a guest work program where the immigrant would have to pay fica and income tax, hence improve the infrastructure by the increase in receipts...
you don't read much on here do you - several including myself have already posted how this was adopted by the US gubbment and the IRS several years ago at least if not many more - getting the illegals to fund SS and never get benefits for themselves while american workers get kicked to the curb to pay for grandpas food on the table
a basic difference between a mexican immigrant and any other immigrant is that the great majority do not want to stay in this country, their home is only a few miles going south... all they are coming here for is work, which i may add... no one wants to perform in the usa..
I know lots of people that want to work - but the house and car and food and entertainment that motivates them to work costs more than the work will provide when they need 10 an hour and some guy will do it for 60 cents because he hasn't learned the joys of lots of liesurely time to read books Mrs. Rand while you blow up marriages and go shop at macy's.
<how idiotic can the politicians get...?
obviously with the support of Neanderthals ...
INFINITELY IDIOTIC...
How sad your father had that neanderthal lust for your mother and orgasmed into her to breed you - we should do away with million year old evolutionary dynamics that serve no use anymore in such a modern civilized world no? We should have removed them in your father so your mother would not have had to pass that painful gut squashing bowling ball baby - oh the humanity
quite amazing actually... and even humorous, except for the sad tragedies that will develop as this country falls from economic strength...
economic strength that was born on the backs of our CHILDREN who were numerous and worked HARD and grew the population, but now they want to shop at macy's and read trendy RAND theories and complain that china and mexico is breeding too many workers and gonna collapse thier standard of living - what a hypocrite
definitively a time to consider major shifts for future home of capital, not quite here yet, but course and direction firmly established...
and that has nothing to do with our human capital does it Mrs. Rand - we can just BREED BOOKS - that will put food on the american table no? who needs culture clash and political and social wars to bring the 3rd world and 1st world together for economic prosperity for all when we can just READ our way out of our problems - sheesh - Hell why should the chinese stay home and help thier own when they can come here and take up the human capital slack and help us - thier FRIENDS right? You amaze me with your contradictions
unless of course, a dramatic change in politics at the top were to ocurr, not in the old [also idiotic] democratic party broken song of tax the rich operetta, but one where true
bush or kerry, hillary or condy, Oil and food and energy and human capital will take the bottom block on the pyramid, before books, religion, or shopping at macy's - those all depend on the former to flourish Ayn
common sense, incentives for investment
the incentive for you to have bowling balls squeeze through your guts was so that as you aged you would have someone loyal to YOU, and your nation work for YOUR retirement, and not china's - wasn't enough of an incentive I guess and now all in America get to suffer eh? Why did your mother have you Mrs. Rand - what was the incentive? It hurt her guts and made her feet swell and made her puke and ruined her figure - what made your father have you mrs. rand - if in modern america it put unbelievable legal and economic pressure on him to outperform or go sit in jail
and a friendly business environment protected from bureucrat and union gangsters predators feeding their arses off productive businessmen... clearly abandoning their dark ages religious biases
yah if only those suckers and religous nut SHAKERS had embraced RAND 100 years earlier america would be FAR better off now with only 50 million population no? - you are such a hypocrite - nearsighted - you contradict yourself so many times just in this message - first you complain human capital is why we will lose our wealth to china - because they have more - but then say religious stupidity from bush and women having babies in the west is what HURT us - huh? Get it straight!
Communists have no more humor than Christians. No man who believes in apocalypses can possibly bring himself to laugh.
~ H.L. Mencken
bwahah - thats a good one, my ukraine, russian, and croation friends all do seem to have such hard negative views of the world when I talk to them about thier huge declining futures - like mrs rand - where was she from? Oh thats right.
There is only one kind of men who have never been on strike in human history. Every other kind and class have stopped, when they so wished, and have presented demands to the world, claiming to be indispensable ---except the men that have carried the world on their shoulders, have kept it alive, have endured torture as their whole payment, but have never walked out on the human race.
MY GOD - you have just described my GRADNMOTHER with her 8 children!! She carried the world on her shoulders - kept it alive with human capital - tortured with 8 bowling balls - and never left her husband while Rand went on STRIKE in bearing that burden to breed BOOKS - BWAHAHAH! You kill me ! BWHAHAHA! Talk about turning it against you indeed - BWAHAHAHA! HAHAHAH! STop, my guts are hurting - BWAHAHA!
Well their turn has come. Let the world discover who they are, what they do and what happens when they refuse to function. This is the strike of the men of the mind."
~ John Galt.
Leader and initiator of
the strike of the men of the mind.
From Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.
OH MY GOD - Thier turn has COME - what happens when they REFUSE to FUNCTION as nature intended - REFUSE to pass those bowling balls and bear those weights MRS. ATLAS? The country shatters no? What an idiot!
Money is a tool of exchange, which cannot exist unless there are goods produced and men capable of producing them.
BWAHAHA MEN to PRODUCE goods? you mean we can't BREED BOOKS to produced GOOds? BWAHAHA - I can;t take it anymore Mrs. Rand - PLEASE STOP - BWAHAHAHAHA!
Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce.
Francisco d'Anconia,
Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.
Breed more BOOKS - that will increase global output and economic specialization - BWHAHA - what a FOOL!
"America's founding ideal was the principle of individual rights. Nothing more and nothing less. The rest --everything that America achieved, everything she became, everything "noble" and "just", and heroic, and great, and unprecedented in human history-- was the logical consequence of fidelity to that one principle. The first consequence was the principle of political freedom, i.e. an individual's freedom from physical compulsion, coercion, or interference by the government. The next was the implementation of political freedom: The system of Capitalism."
Ayn Rand
absolutely RAND - it was not my grandmother deciding to be ATLAS and bear 8 children, it was her adoption of YOUR personal cHOICE to be a NON BREEDER - capitalism without human capital - breed more books - BWAHAHHA!
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Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The
the more people, the more opinions, but we just need a ton of books and 1 reader Mrs. Rand
several sects perform the office of a Censor morum over each other. Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and chidlren, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hyopcrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth. Let us reflect that it is inhabited by a thousand millions of people.
Let us reflect that if the world had adopted Mrs. Rands philosophy and bred books instead of children or the shakers philosophy of celibacy - where would all of us be today? NOWHERE
That these profess probably a thousand different systems of religion. That ours is but one of that thousand. That if there be but one right, and ours that one, we should wish to see the 999 wandering sects gathered into the fold of truth. But against such a majority we cannot effect this by force. Reason and persuasion are the only practicable instruments. To make way for these, free enquiry must be indulged; and how can we wish others to indulge it while we refuse it ourselves."
IDIC Spock - infinite diversity, infinite combinations - we bring order to the chaos the more minds we have out there working for the common good and specializing - it is only logical - but if all we breed are BOOKS and not bowling ball babies - that is not gonna happen
~ Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia-Religion
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"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. "
~ Thomas Jefferson
right, the purpose is to keep your gas cheap so you can drive to macy's
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"That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves."
~ Thomas Jefferson
the shakers made the individual choice that celibacy was best - without human capital - thier movement died |
