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To: GST who wrote (159496)	3/23/2005 1:51:02 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

There are two basic actionable causes for war -- self-defense and genocide. Clinton responded to genocide -- it was not an easy call. Bush did neither. First, it wasn't genocide, it was a land grab. The kosovars were being driven off. Second, Saddam had done far worse to the Shia and the Kurds in 1991, and was still killing Iraqis at a clip of over 30,000 a year (not to mention the deaths he caused by starving the Iraqis and blaming the sanctions, something I used to hear a lot about). All in all, much worse than Kosovo. So why doesn't it count? Because CNN wasn't showing YOU pictures of it, I suspect. They were only showing nice Saddam-friendly coverage to maintain their "access" in Baghdad.

To: GST who wrote (159496)	3/23/2005 3:54:18 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

More bad news for you GST. As Sadr off the radar and now zarquawi getting it. What do you and your chinese associates make of this news? cnn.com Iraqi, U.S. forces overrun rebel base, kill 85 Wednesday, March 23, 2005 Posted: 12:58 PM EST (1758 GMT) BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- After a two-hour firefight, Iraqi forces and U.S. helicopters captured an insurgent base north of Baghdad, killing 85 rebels, U.S. and Iraqi military officials said Wednesday. "A previous safe haven for planning attacks has been removed," a U.S. military official said of Tuesday's battle. Although the Iraqi military said it killed 85 insurgents during the firefight, the U.S. military said the number of rebel dead was "undetermined." Seven Iraqi police commandos with the Ministry of Interior died in the fighting and six were wounded, the U.S. military said. The U.S. military said it had lost no American troops in the battle. The base included between 80 and 120 rebels at the time of the attack, some of them non-Iraqis, a U.S. military officials said. The insurgents evacuated their positions about two hours into the battle, the officials said. After entering the camp, Iraqi commandos found non-Iraqi passports, training publications, propaganda documents, weapons and ammunition, the U.S. military said. The U.S. military said the camp is at a remote location about 60 miles northwest of Baghdad, near Lake Tharthar, along the border of Salaheddin and Anbar provinces. But the Iraqi Interior Ministry said the camp was in Samarra, which is east of the lake. Iraqi forces also seized 30 boats at the camp which presumably were used at the lake, the Iraqi Defense Ministry said. The U.S. role in the battle was primarily to provide helicopter support, the U.S. military official said. The battle "is another indication of [the insurgents'] diminished capabilities," the official said. "This in an indication that they have been forced from major population centers and forced to operate in more remote areas," he said. The battle follows Sunday's ambush on a U.S. convoy south of Baghdad that the U.S. military said left 26 insurgents dead. AND MORE BAD NEWS GSTJordan-Iraqi tensions easing A diplomatic huff between Jordan and Iraq which prompted them to withdraw their envoys shows signs of subsiding. The dispute concerned a Jordanian newspaper report that a family from Jordan celebrated a relative's role in a bombing that killed 127 people in the southern Iraqi city of Hilla last month. That story generated angry demonstrations in Iraq and underscored concerns about the ability to stop foreign fighters from slipping into Iraq. Citing security concerns, Jordan's King Abdullah II responded to news of the demonstrations by recalling his nation's ambassador. The interim Iraq government then recalled its envoy from Jordan. The king has since ordered Jordan's top envoy to Iraq to return to Baghdad. The status of Iraq's diplomat is unknown. Tuesday, interim Iraqi Prime Minister's Ayad Allawi issued a statement calling for more investigation of the Hilla incident, and urging Jordan to investigate the reported celebrations. Allawi also demanded an explanation from the family and the newspaper that published reports of their celebration. The father of a Jordanian suspect has denied his son's involvement in the Hilla blast and said his son died in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul. Allawi said Jordan's prime minister has contacted him "expressing his sorrow" and saying investigations are forthcoming.