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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (159527)3/23/2005 8:50:24 PM
From: Orcastraiter  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
If not, all diplomacy can do is facilitate something that the parties already want to do. If one side is unwilling, the only leverage is bribes or threats - and the threats have to be credible.

By amassing a large force on the border, as we did in Iraq, suddenly we had Saddam's attention. He decided to let inspectors in the country again. We had things moving in the right direction. Much more progress was possible diplomatically. And ultimately war might have been the needed solution. But we will never know, because Bush was quick on the trigger.

What did Clinton accomplish in the Mideast with diplomacy alone?

Did Clinton amass 200,000 troops on their borders? I must have missed something.

He discovered that he had zero leverage over Yasser Arafat, and no amount of US bribes convinced Egypt or Saudi Arabia to help Mideast peace - indeed, they were instrumental in preventing it. But now, Egypt is allowing a multi-party election, and trying to broker the cease-fire. What changed?

I won't be foolish to claim that the war in Iraq hasn't opened some eyes. But at the same time I don't think that war was needed to get to this point. You need to be ready to go to war, but you need to be ready to negotiate as well. Bush shelved diplomacy, and chose a course where 100s of thousands of lives are forever damaged or ended. There is a hidden danger to war...and that is the creation of thousands of new terrorists...that needs to be understood.

If the US had blustered against Saddam, brought an army over, then backed down and left Saddam triumphant, the credibility of its military threat would have been gone. Paper tiger time. US loses, Saddam wins. The leverage of its diplomacy would have gone with it.

As long as our demands were met, it would not have been seen as backing down. At the point we amass troops there are two choices: do as we say, or it's 1991 all over again. There is no backing down from that.

But instead, Bush showed that he was an American President willing to act, with both houses of Congress and a majority of the American people behind him. You don't see this combination often, and you should take notice when you do.

I don't think that the support was that wide. First congress authorized the president to use force. When they authorized it everyone of them hoped that force would not be needed, well maybe not everyone of them...there are a few sicko hawks that enjoy war.

And the American people were hoodwinked with a shell game of Al Qaeda-Saddam-OBL-WMD...and they didn't know which shell the pea was under. But if you look at the polls now...where general knowledge of what really happened is more widely known you see that the war does not have support. The average intelligence of Americans is somewhere between a fence post and a TV antenna. But eventually they catch on. They get it now.

Orca