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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (7630)	3/23/2005 9:45:17 PM
From: rrufff	Respond to of 22250

EMILE HERE IS YOUR SALVATION? CBS) For decades, priests in this country abused children in parish after parish while their superiors covered it all up. Now it turns out the orders for this cover up were written in Rome at the highest levels of the Vatican. CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales has uncovered a church document kept secret for 40 years. The confidential Vatican document, obtained by CBS News, lays out a church policy that calls for absolute secrecy when it comes to sexual abuse by priests - anyone who speaks out could be thrown out of the church. The policy was written in 1962 by Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani. The document, once "stored in the secret archives" of the Vatican, focuses on crimes initiated as part of the confessional relationship and what it calls the "worst crime": sexual assault committed by a priest" or "attempted by him with youths of either sex or with brute animals." Bishops are instructed to pursue these cases "in the most secretive way...restrained by a perpetual silence...and everyone {including the alleged victim) ...is to observe the strictest secret, which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office...under the penalty of excommunication." Larry Drivon, a lawyer who represents alleged victims, said, “This document is significant because it's a blueprint for deception.” Drivon said this proves what he has alleged on behalf of victims in priest-abuse lawsuits: that the church engaged in a crime – racketeering. “It's an instruction manual on how to deceive and how to protect pedophiles,” Drivon said. "And exactly how to avoid the truth coming out." The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said the document is being taken out of context, that it's a church law that deals only with religious crimes and sins. And that the secrecy is meant to protect the faithful from scandal. “The idea that this is some sort of blueprint to keep this secret is simply wrong,” said Msgr. Francis Maniscalco, a spokesman for the Conference. “This is a system of law which is complete in itself and is not telling the bishops in any way about how to handle these crimes when they are considered as civil crimes,” Maniscalco said. But Richard Sipe, a former priest who has written about sex abuse and secrecy in the church, said the document sends a chilling message. “This is the code for how you must deal with sex by priests. You keep it secret at all costs,” Sipe said. “And that's what's happened. It's happened in every diocese in this country.” According to church records, the document was a bedrock of Catholic sex abuse policy until America's bishops met last summer and drafted new policies to address the crisis in the church. ©MMIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (7630)	3/23/2005 9:50:50 PM
From: rrufff	Respond to of 22250

A Safe Heaven for Pedophiles: Pedophile Priests I mention this to All because I've been in touch with a Catholic church master who agreed that my Clergy Abuse series is both accurate and appalling. While several Catholic and Protestant priests have made the same comment before, it is possible that this last one will help me compile a report on how "treatment" of pedophiles actually works in the Catholic cult -- at least from his perspective. Dave Hamilton: DH> Do they have the first cure for pedophelia? Fredric Rice: That's a wonderful question. Sadly they don't. From what I understand the priesthood is run through a program which teaches them how to handle further complaints so that the cult's coffers don't suffer. Any time spent on "treatment" and "therapy" is as Marilyn notes: Marilyn Burge: MB> I have often wondered just what this 'treatment' facility MB> does in that regard. I've imagined that the 'inmates' spend MB> considerable time in prayer and meditation, along with MB> 'counseling' where they are reminded that pedophelia is a MB> sin (actually, I rather imagine they are told that ALL sex MB> is a sin and that it is left at that). After a time spent MB> resting and 'praying,' they are then shuttled to another MB> parish, far from the one where they got caught. Fredric Rice: That's what was basically reported on PBS with the added note that they're supposed to have a fellow priest keeping an eye on them and making sure they don't get alone with children any more. The problem is that the cult is dying out... USA Today (an issue in the month of Feb, 1998) noted that the number of sheep to cult followers is at an all-time high for the Catholic cult. There just aren't enough cult masters available for watching their pedophiles at all times. They're "treated" to "therapy" which is first and foremost a school for teaching priests and their masters how to avoid getting caught and how to avoid paying monetary penalties after getting caught. They're trained to go to their body of available lawyers FIRST and without delay at the first sign of any complaint. Don Martin: dm> Well "Megan's Law" (in which the addresses of child dm> molesters returning to society must be made available to their dm> new neighbors) has been found to be Constitutional; Fredric Rice: It has been applied, Don, many times here in Southern California with great success... the sex offenders are always -- ALWAYS -- driven out into the desert where they can't hurt anyone. There was much complaint by the FUCKING A.C.L.U. that it was unconstitutional but there is a great public safety issue involved here; the public has the right to know. The FUCKING A.C.L.U. wanted to suggest that only the law enforcement officers and the school system's officers had any need to know. Don Martin: dm> it remains to be seen whether the Church will obey its dictates. Fredric Rice: Prediction: They won't. The Catholic cult has long adopted the convenient belief that they should be allowed to "handle" criminals within their own ranks -- just as if they were a military "service." Several masters of pedophile priests, when asked why they don't take their compilation of complaints to the police authorities, demand that they think "it's best" for both the priest and their victims if the cult "handles" the complaint. After all, the evil bastards demand, the police only worry about the "mortal body" of their priests rather than the "mortal soul" that they want to play pretend with. Don Martin: dm> Considering that they have hitherto done the contrary, acting to dm> conceal rather than to reveal ordained pedophiles, I suspect that dm> they would rather turn to championing the maintenance of the wall dm> between church and state. Fredric Rice: They already use the excuse that disclosure of criminal actions and offering of evidence violates the "patient/doctor" privilege. I've yet to have a cultist ever explain why they don't execute or otherwise toss out of the nest all of their pedophile members. The answer, I think, is because if they did that, there would be very few priests around the world next Sunday. --- * Origin: Hatred is not a "family value." (1:218/890) skeptictank.org