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To: greenspirit who wrote (105697)	3/24/2005 5:27:54 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793699

it seems to me the courts side-stepped their mandate from Congress and put all the onus on the parents and lawyer representing them. I take the "asked and answered" attitude toward the evidence. It is easy in a case like this to construe it to fit the POV that the writers at NRO, etc, want to believe in. The Lawyers online that I respect think the Federal Courts have made the right decision. They are all sharp Law Profs who have read the decisions and looked at the law. I know I certainly would not want to try to pretend I have any expertise on this, I don't. But I go with the lawyers I trust. Ann Althouse is one althouse.blogspot.com Thanks to Judge Whittemore for handling this terribly burdensome case with skill and dignity Here is a summary of a discussion between Orin Kerr at "Volokh" and Hugh Hewitt that covers your questions. volokh.com Hugh Hewitt Responds on Schiavo and the Judiciary: Hugh Hewitt has responded to my questions about his reaction to the Schiavo court decisions. He writes: [A]nyone trying to argue that Congress did not make its intent clear . . . are asking their readers to disbelieve what nearly every commentator has either praised or condemned over the past few days — that Congress intervened on behalf of Terri Schiavo with the intent of restoring her care during the interim period when a federal judge could review her situation de novo. Straining to see other than judicial contempt for that effort is just not persuasive. . . . [H]ere there is only judicial contempt for the coordinate branches blended with cowardice that compels absurd arguments about what Congress did and did not intend. Orin should answer the question: Did Congress intend Terri Schiavo to die before a de novo inquiry into the circumstances surrounding her condition was complete? I'm afraid Hewitt misses the point. The key question is not what Congress intended, but what Congress actually did. Judges are not tasked with following the reasons why "nearly every commentator" has "praised" or "condemned" legislative proposals. As I see it, their job when interpreting statutes is to read the law that Congress enacted and to do what that law and existing precedent tell them to do. As Justice Holmes explained, "We do not inquire what the legislature meant; we ask only what the statute means." Oliver Wendell Holmes, Collected Legal Papers 207 (1920). Of course, there are different views on the role of text and legislative intent in statutory interpretation. Some people think that courts should follow the text and the text alone; others think that the courts should follow text as informed by legislative history; still others think that the courts should follow text as infomed by context or the apparent purpose of the legislative action. This is an interesting and complex debate, and not one we can resolve here. I think it's fair to say, however, that the mainstream of legal debate today presumes that a judge's job is to follow the language of the law the legislature actually enacted as at least the primary guide to interpreting statutes, rather than the statements of individual legislators or commentators. The reason for the importance of text is simple democracy: the Constitution sets out very specific rules for enacting laws, and the job of the courts is to interpret laws validly enacted pursuant to that constitutional scheme. Following the text ensures that the courts obey the laws that Congress actually enacts, rather than the laws that some legislator or commentator hoped to enact but lacked the political support to enact. The problem with having courts follow the statements of individual lawmakers and commentators is that their views are not subject to the constitutional lawmaking processes. Being outside of the lawmaking processes, these individualized expressions of intent cannot provide a sound standard for interpreting statutory commands. Legislation is usually the product of compromise, and different legislators and commentators have different goals, hopes, and aspirations. Following the expressed views of any one individual or faction would allow that person or group to bypass the Constitutional lawmaking process and get their version of what they hope or wish the law did enacted into law without being subject to the Constitution's requirements. The Supreme Court expressly counseled against this in Circuit City Stores v. Adams, 532 U.S. 105, 120 (2001): We ought not attribute to Congress an official purpose based on the motives of a particular group that lobbied for or against a certain proposal--even assuming the precise intent of the group can be determined, a point doubtful both as a general rule and in the instant case. It is for the Congress, not the courts, to consult political forces and then decide how best to resolve conflicts in the course of writing the objective embodiments of law we know as statutes. A sensible approach, I think. Hewitt ends his post by giving me an assignment: "Orin should answer the question: Did Congress intend Terri Schiavo to die before a de novo inquiry into the circumstances surrounding her condition was complete?" The truth is, I have no idea. I don't know who Congress is, or who to ask to find out what this Congress person thinks. I don't know what kind of deals were struck and compromises reached behind closed doors that led to the legislation that passed. I have no idea whether the legislators who expressed views on the record as to what they expected the legislation to do were a) accurately reflecting the sense of most legislators; b) merely expressing the intent of a number of legislators; c) only articulating the hope of a few; or d) simply trying to please particular interest groups by stating the law they supported would achieve a particular result even though they knew the law would do no such thing. My point is that it doesn't matter which of these is true. The law is the statute that Congress passed, not the expressed intent of particular legislators or articulated understandings of particular commentators. Finally, given that Hewitt ended his post with a challenge for me, permit me to end with a challenge for him: Hugh should say whether he thinks that the plaintiffs in the Schiavo case have a winning case on the merits, and if so, on what specific constitutional or statutory grounds.

To: greenspirit who wrote (105697)	3/24/2005 7:04:53 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793699

it seems to me the courts side-stepped their mandate from Congress and put all the onus on the parents and lawyer representing them. One of the other things I noticed in my marathon news watching during the last 24 was some chatter between an anchor and a reporter in the field in Florida where the anchor asked the reporter if the parents had hired a lawyer with experience at these levels given how different it was from state courts. The reporter said that, no, he didn't think so, rather that the lawyers were doing all this themselves. That might explain why the lawyers didn't know what was required of them. Another possible explanation is inertia and fatigue. They've been operating in a certain paradigm and just didn't recognize that the paradigm had changed. <<Is Terri Schiavo a PVS case? That is the core of the wrenching dispute that has gripped the nation.>> Right now it seems to me that the core is what her wishes were. The default at this point, since it has been so ruled and affirmed many times, is that her wishes were to not live this way. If you operate from that basis, then the courts would be depriving her of her rights if they restored the feeding tube. What needs to be studied de novo is whether that ruling about her wishes is correct and to buy enough time to study that, you'd have to deprive her of her rights as they now stand. Catch-22. As for her being minimally conscious rather than PFS, one of the characterics of that is to be able to respond to yes or no questions with a movement of some sort. If she's really minimally conscious, then she should be able to tell us what her wishes now are. That would settle things. But apparently she can't do that, which would mean that she really is PVS.