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To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (1630)	3/24/2005 4:38:10 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5290

The findings were no surprise to Rabbi Yehuda Lebovics, a Los Angeles mohel who has performed more than 10,000 circumcisions. A mohel does not have to be a rabbi. LOL! that is the guy that did jxn's circumcision...at it was 10k five years ago.

To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (1630)	3/30/2005 5:10:57 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 5290

"Study: Jewish circumcision tool better than standard doctor's device " The Babylonian Talmud is the dogmatic and authoritative source of all modern Orthodox Jewish beliefs on circumcision. The following citations from the Babylonian Talmud establish the ritual of Shabbath 19:2 They may perform on the Sabbath all things that are needful for CIRCUMCISION: excision, tearing, sucking [the wound], and putting thereon a bandage and cumin. If this had not been pounded up on the eve of the Sabbath a man may chew it with his teeth and then apply it. The Mishnah Translated by Herbert Danby Oxford: Oxford University Press. 1933. pp. 116-117. These are taken from the Jerusalem Post Magazine. Shabbat 133B II.1. A. Suck [out the wound]: B. Said R. Pappa, "A Surgeon who didn't suck out the wound - that is a source of danger, and we throw him out." C. So what else is new? Obviously, since we are prepared to desecrate the Sabbath on that account, it is certainly dangerous not to do it! D. What might you have supposed? That this blood is stored up. So we are informed that it is the result of the wound, and in the status of a bandage and cumin: Just as when one doesn't put on a bandage and cumin, there is danger, so here, too, if one doesn't do it, there is danger. The Talmud of Babylonia: An American Trhttp://www.come-and-hear.com/tcontents.htmlanslation Translated by Jacob Neusner Number 275. Volume II.E: Shabbat Chapters 18-24. Program in Judaic Studies Brown University Atlanta: Scholars Press. 1993. p. 45. For those who would like to check the citation from the Talmud for themselves, here is complete copy of the Babylonian Talmud: come-and-hear.com Isn't the "culture" of Orthodox Talmudic Judaism "beautiful"?

To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (1630)	3/30/2005 5:13:59 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 5290

Three stages required for a ritually correct CIRCUMCISION in Jewish Talmudic law: A COMPARATIVE AND HISTORICAL STUDY OF THE JEWISH RELIGIOUS ATTITUDE TO MEDICINE AND ITS PRACTICE "The method to be adopted is laid down thus: 'One excises the foreskin, [that is] the entire skin covering the glans, so that the corona is laid bare. Afterwards, one tears with the finger-nail the soft membrane underneath the skin, turning it to the sides until the flesh of the glans appears. Thereafter, one sucks the membrane until the blood is extracted from the [more] remote places, so that no danger [to the infant] may ensue; and any circumciser who does not carry out the sucking procedure is to be removed [from his office].' . . . The operation itself, then, consists of three distinct acts: the excision of the prepuce; the laceration of the mucous membrane covering the glans; and the sucking of the blood from the interior of the wound." Immanuel Jakobovits. Jewish Medical Ethics: A Comparative and Historical Study of the Jewish Religious Attitude to Medicine and Its Practice. New York: Bloch Publishing Company. 1959. pp. 193-194. This study is clearly speaking of the standard established for modern Orthodox Jews.