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To: cosmicforce who wrote (99585)	3/26/2005 7:44:12 PM
From: Grainne	Respond to of 108807

I totally agree with you! I was just trying to establish what parts of libertarian theory were going to be accepted as valid before making making many of the same points you have made (probably not as eloquently, though). I don't think many libertarians really think of the consequences of the positions their party takes. I don't think all of them even realize what those positions are. But the argument is amorphous to me until we have some agreement on what the implications are of the no immediate harm and nothing done by force stuff that and individual freedom stuff that seems to lure people in without considering the way such policies would play out in the long run.

To: cosmicforce who wrote (99585)	3/27/2005 9:13:01 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 108807

This is all viewed through a very narrow lens and accepted as though such a thing is intrinsically good. We are then asked to watch a development of the proposition that minimal government is good without any conjecture about the consequences of overturning the basic human rights assured by government. Nothing narrow about it at least no narrower than the opposite position. As for basic human rights libertarians are very big on them. I end up feeling dissatisfied because I see that, in the proponent's eyes, arguing the correctness of the philosophy is more important than considering any negative consequences of implementing it. For many libertarians the reason they are libertarian is from consideration of consequnces and practical reality. Your certainly free to disagree with them, many do, but that doesn't make them narrow, nor does it mean they ignore consequences. I'm left completely unwilling to entertain it for this reason. I haven't really been asking people to entertain it, as much as I am arguing that it isn't just selfishness. There are idealalistic and practical reasons behind libertarian ideas, there are selfish libertarians as well but there are selfish people in any decent sized group. Tim