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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bill who wrote (99995)	3/30/2005 5:40:45 PM
From: Bill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Symmetry. I like it better.

To: Bill who wrote (99995)	3/30/2005 5:50:15 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I don't remember anywhere near this level of control under previous presidents. Why, some even allowed demonstrators got close enough that they could be heard. How quaint! And Bush used the same tactics during the campaign, to give the impression that he was idolized by all. The fact is that the level of control around Bush has deadened his perceptions and made a monkey out of him. He is always looking for praise and polite laughter for his horrible jokes, because he has been shielded from reality for so long. Not a pretty sight. What a buffoon!

To: Bill who wrote (99995)	3/30/2005 5:56:21 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

And how can you determine that a mere progressive--someone who is not an arch conservative but may be a lovely respectable citizen--is going to disrupt a meeting? How can the President learn anything about how Americans feel if he never has to answer an honest question about the issue he is supporting, not a rehearsed one? The town hall meeting, like almost everything else under this president, has become a FARCE!!!!

To: Bill who wrote (99995)	3/30/2005 6:10:22 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I see no reason to put up with folks, left or right, who are likely to disrupt the proceedings. It isn't your (or the President's) call. Same goes with elections, I suppose. Why have 'em when they just get in the way of the continuity of the Presidential policies? Over the past 25 years there has been an increase in the barriers to VISIBLE free speech. Invisible, silenced free speech, is meaningless. You can have any kind of free speech you want if you simply agreed that uncooperative protesters (who reject this falacious "freedom") are put in jail. That is what is done today. sfgate.com When Bush went to the Pittsburgh area on Labor Day 2002, 65-year-old retired steel worker Bill Neel was there to greet him with a sign proclaiming, "The Bush family must surely love the poor, they made so many of us." The local police, at the Secret Service's behest, set up a "designated free-speech zone" on a baseball field surrounded by a chain-link fence a third of a mile from the location of Bush's speech. The police cleared the path of the motorcade of all critical signs, but folks with pro-Bush signs were permitted to line the president's path. Neel refused to go to the designated area and was arrested for disorderly conduct; the police also confiscated his sign. Neel later commented, "As far as I'm concerned, the whole country is a free-speech zone. If the Bush administration has its way, anyone who criticizes them will be out of sight and out of mind." At Neel's trial, police Detective John Ianachione testified that the Secret Service told local police to confine "people that were there making a statement pretty much against the president and his views" in a so-called free- speech area.