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Politics : The Iraq War And Beyond -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Ed Huang who wrote (8645)4/2/2005 8:03:01 AM
From: rrufff  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9018
 
Pro Peace poster PPP - That's what you claim to be?

When in history does one get peace by being a 1 sided bigot? You have yet to ever say anything positive about the US or Israel. You defend the terrorists, claiming that it was because of US or Israel, i.e., the victims, and, therefore, justified.

I do admit that the Iraq issue is a tough one and, unlike you, admit to misgivings. I do believe it is good that Saddam was toppled.

Looking back, in hindsight, it was probably not the most efficient use of our resources in the war against terror. Looking back, the way I would have handled it was to continue with sanctions and ultimata. Perhaps, at that point, the rest of the world, i.e., France and Russia, would have looked past their financial incentives and deals with Saddam, and agreed to join a coalition to topple him.

I suspect that the administration felt to wait another year would have pushed the war to the point of election. That's just my suspicion. In retrospect, it would have been better to give the rest of the world a chance to become united on all the issues. IF the rest of the world continued to believe that Saddam had WMD as they did at that time, then eventually they would have combined to bring him down, I believe, despite France and Russia being on the payroll of they UN food for oil graft and also being huge creditors of Iraq.

Looking forward, what would I do? This is more important as these silly message boards are largely the venue of 2d guessing bigots who merely want to place blame, rather than suggest positive things. I would tell the Iraqis they need to be more pro-active in defending themselves. This seems to be happening. We should limit our time remaining in Iraq. We don't need their oil. Only goofy message posters proclaimed that it was about oil or about Israel. It was about 911 and, as I suggest, an inefficient use of our resources, together with incompetence in the intelligence community.

The bigots who proclaim it was Israel, ignore our incompetence. Curveball was not Israeli. Chalabi was certainly not Israeli. But, of course, you and your "tribe" of bigots will always claim that Israel is behind everything or that Jews rule the world.



To: Ed Huang who wrote (8645)4/2/2005 8:09:49 AM
From: rrufff  Respond to of 9018
 
I know it's hard for you to focus on anything positive, given your proclivities for mental onanistic message board pleasures in bigotry, but try this one on for size.

Iraq seems more on its way to defend itself. The US should get out asap as we are the unifying target of terrorists, whose real goal is continued dominance over the Shiites and economic hegemony.

Chuango, Clerics Urge Iraqis to Join Security Force

31 minutes ago World - AP

By SINAN SALAHEDDIN, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Influential Sunni Muslim clerics who once condemned Iraqi security force members as traitors made a surprise turnaround Friday and encouraged citizens to join the nascent police and army.

If heeded, the announcement could strengthen the image of the officers and soldiers trying to take over the fight against the Sunni-led insurgency.

Still, it wasn't a full-fledged endorsement. The edict, endorsed by a group of 64 Sunni clerics and scholars, instructed enlistees to refrain from helping foreign troops against their own countrymen.

Ahmed Abdul Ghafour al-Samarrai, a cleric in the Association of Muslim Scholars, read the edict during a sermon at a major Sunni mosque in Baghdad. He said it was necessary for Sunnis to join the security forces to prevent Iraqi police and army from falling into "the hands of those who have caused chaos, destruction and violated the sanctities."

It seemed to be a recognition by the Sunni minority, which dominated under former dictator Saddam Hussein, that Iraq's interim government is slowly retaking control of the nation and paving the way for a U.S. withdrawal.

In the central city of Samarra, an explosion Friday blew away part of a wall on top of a minaret from a 9th-century mosque, scattering rubble on the stairs that spiral up the outside of one of Iraq's most recognized landmarks.

Witnesses said two men climbed the 170-foot-tall minaret, then returned to the ground before the blast. The U.S. military blamed insurgents.

It was unclear why the minaret was targeted. U.S. troops have used it as a sniper position, and last year the terrorist group al-Qaida in Iraq, led by Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, flew a flag from its peak. Sgt. Brian Thomas, a spokesman for the 42nd Infantry Division, said coalition forces no longer use the minaret.

A symbol of Samarra's past glory, the minaret is all that remains of a mosque built during the Abbasid Islamic dynasty. It is featured on Iraq's 250-dinar bill.

Outside Samarra, Iraqi and U.S. soldiers exchanged gunfire with insurgents during a raid. Iraqi Maj. Gen. Rashid Feleih said five insurgents were killed.

In the holy city of Karbala, Shiite Muslims packed bus stations to head home after a Shiite religious holiday whose participants had been targeted by insurgents. Many pilgrims slept on city streets after Thursday's festival because they feared nighttime attacks on the roads home.

Special security measures remained in place in Karbala, with policemen keeping watch from rooftops and patrolling the streets.

A bomb exploded near a Sunni mosque in the northern city of Kirkuk and killed an Iraqi heading to Friday prayers, police official Sarhad Qader said. Three people were wounded.

An explosion was heard near Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone as people hurried home before the nightly curfew. U.S. officials had no immediate information.

In Balad Ruz, 30 miles northeast of the capital, gunmen killed the police chief, Col. Hatim Rashid, and another officer at a police station, police Col. Mudhafar al-Jubouri said. A third officer was injured.

Radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, who led uprisings against the U.S.-led coalition last year, called on his supporters to stage a protest in Baghdad on April 9 to mark the second anniversary of U.S. troops entering the capital.

Sheik Hassan al-Edhari, an official at al-Sadr's Baghdad office, said the protesters will demand that the new Iraqi government set a timetable for withdrawing foreign troops and for trying Saddam.

Negotiations continued over who will lead the newly elected National Assembly, as Kurdish leader Jalal Talabani and Abdel-Aziz al-Hakim, head of the Shiite-led United Iraqi Alliance, talked about speeding up the formation of Iraq's new government.

The two discussed the possibility of formally naming Talabani as Iraq's president Sunday during a parliamentary session, said al-Hakim's son and political adviser, Mohsen Abdel-Aziz al-Hakim.

"We're running out of time," he said. "The delay is not in our interest."

Ahmad Chalabi, head of an Iraqi exile group that provided intelligence to the United States on Saddam's weapons programs, praised a U.S. presidential commission's report Thursday that he said cleared his Iraq National Congress.

"We welcome this report as a vindication," Chalabi said in a statement released Friday. "We have consistently stated that the INC played a very small role in U.S. intelligence reporting on Saddam's" weapons of mass destruction.

While the report did say the INC-related sources had a "minimal impact on prewar assessments," it also accused two INC sources of lying to the U.S. government about the use of mobile biological weapons factories to evade inspectors.



To: Ed Huang who wrote (8645)4/2/2005 8:23:47 AM
From: Crimson Ghost  Respond to of 9018
 
The gates of hell are open in Iraq
Jawad al-Khalisi, Guardian

Friday April 1, 2005 - The US-British occupation of Iraq is poisoning all political processes in my country and across the Middle East. The elections held under the control of the occupying forces in January were neither free nor fair. Instead of being a step towards solving Iraq's problems, they have been used to prolong foreign rule over the Iraqi people.
Only when the occupiers withdraw from the country can Iraq take the first secure steps towards peace and stability. Once a strict timetable for withdrawal is set, Iraq's political forces could freely agree and set in motion a process of genuinely free and fair democratic elections, a permanent constitution, and a programme that meets the demands of all the Iraqi people.

The occupying powers are now following a policy of divide and rule, encouraging sectarian and ethnic divisions and imposing them on all the institutions they have created.

Incidents such as the recent kidnapping of an Italian journalist, released only to be received by a hail of bullets from the US liberators, have fuelled widespread suspicions in Iraq as to who is in fact responsible for many of the terrorist acts - kidnappings, assassinations, and indiscriminate bombing and killing -that are engulfing the whole of Iraq. These have coincided with a cover-up of significant military operations being conducted against the occupation forces across the country.

Not one of the terrorist crimes has been solved and not a single perpetrator put on trial. After each major terrorist crime, the arrest of perpetrators is proclaimed, using names and personalities spread by the US-controlled media. This media effort - which also seeks to bury the news of the destruction of entire towns, brutal night raids, kidnappings, curfews, and the detention and torture of thousands of prisoners - is overseen by the information department of the US forces, who earned the US defence secretary's special thanks during his visit to Iraq.

These crimes are a taste of the hell created by the US project in the Middle East. And now this hell is beginning to be visited on Lebanon, opening the prospect of endless wars of unimaginable consequences.

Syria is now withdrawing its forces from Lebanon and laying the responsibility of what happens next squarely on the other side. But what will happen next? Will the Lebanese resistance (led by Hizbullah) be disarmed? And if it refuses to surrender its weapons, how will it be disarmed? Will it be by landing new occupation forces in the country?

This was tried in the early 80s and led to the defeat of the US and the Israeli occupation of Lebanon. This could occur again, but on a wider scale across the whole region, which can no longer tolerate this endless US pressure, regarded by the peoples of the area as the implementation of Israeli demands.

Efforts must be directed at resolving the problems of the Palestinian people, who Israel refuses to allow to return to their lands, despite UN resolutions and all precepts of right and justice. The Palestinian problem cannot be resolved with exhibitionist gatherings such as Tony Blair's recent London conference. The big powers - particularly Britain, which helped create the problem in the first place - have a moral responsibility to resolve it.

In the same way, the Iraq crisis cannot be resolved by patching up a detested occupation with fraudulent elections and sectarian and ethnic caucuses supported by the occupiers. The only solution is the immediate withdrawal of occupation forces - or as a minimum, a strict internationally guaranteed timetable for withdrawal. Talk about freedom and democracy is seen as an endlessly repeated sham by our peoples because these words are being uttered by the very powers that have stood behind the corrupt dictatorial regimes. The US today is still the ally and backer of many such tyrannical regimes in our region and elsewhere.

We do not believe that the aggressive US stance towards Syria and Iran is intended to uphold freedom and democracy either, but to get rid of states that are refusing to go along with US and Israeli plans for the region. Today, Syria is being held to account in Lebanon because it is refusing to back the occupation of Iraq, and Iran is facing threats over its nuclear programme because the US is worried about its role in relation to Iraq and its rejection of the status quo in Palestine.

Public opinion in the occupying countries, such as the US and Britain, needs to understand that the continuation of this unjust and dangerous situation will create the conditions for a new and more general uprising which threatens truly to open the gates of hell in the region and beyond.

Ayatollah Jawad al-Khalisi is secretary general of the Iraqi National Foundation Congress, an alliance of secular and religious organisations covering all religious and ethnic groups in Iraq

email: alkhalissi@hotmail.com